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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 14:31:43 GMT
I didn’t defend the British . I pointed out the obvious . The Boer concentration camps had no comparison to the Nazi camps . Hitler didn’t copy an industrial sized operation of genocide,death and slavery camps from the British because the British never had one . The comparison was as i have said many times the germans copied what the british had done decades earlier in south africa , but took it to a new level.
So because hitler had advanced technology , and german ingenuity at his disposal that the british perhaps lacked decades earlier is wasnt comparable? Ah well that makes it all right then doesnt it ? 
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It didn’t take it to a new level. It did different things for a different purpose . |
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2023 14:36:35 GMT
The comparison was as i have said many times the germans copied what the british had done decades earlier in south africa , but took it to a new level.
So because hitler had advanced technology , and german ingenuity at his disposal that the british perhaps lacked decades earlier is wasnt comparable? Ah well that makes it all right then doesnt it ?
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It didn’t take it to a new level. It did different things for a different purpose . ah ok. That makes it alright then. German concentration camps bad , british good. How we laughed.
I bet the poor buggers in those british camps werent laughing though.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 14:38:44 GMT
It didn’t take it to a new level. It did different things for a different purpose . ah ok. That makes it alright then. German concentration camps bad , british good. How we laughed.
I bet the poor buggers in those british camps werent laughing though.
I never said that it was alright . I refuted your false claim that Boer concentration camps are comparable with German ones. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2023 14:41:59 GMT
ah ok. That makes it alright then. German concentration camps bad , british good. How we laughed.
I bet the poor buggers in those british camps werent laughing though.
I never said that it was alright . I refuted your false claim that Boer concentration camps are comparable with German ones.
Cornelis Broeksema, an attorney from Holland was executed as a traitor by firing squad at the Johannesburg Fort. This was done because he exposed the atrocities of the British concentration camps during the ABWII that was unreported.
A reported 130,000 Kenyans were tortured and killed in British concentration camps amidst holidaying Princess Elizabeth being told she was Queen
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 8, 2023 14:43:28 GMT
I'm not blind to the evils of Empire however you first linked to an article claiming the British invented the concentration camp when they didn't and then went on to compare a POW camp with concentration camps which is disingenuous at best. I'm happy to join you in a bit of colonial bashing but you'll have to stick to the facts. weve addressed this earlier yet again monte. So in your world , the fact the spanish pipped the british to the invention of the concentration camp makes it all ok does it? Then , to further wash out the evil of the british , you then go onto argue semantics about the names of these camps , largely trying to ignore in the process the events and atrocities perpetrated in them?
Im pretty sure an inmate in a british concentration camp wouldny have felt any better off than in a german one years later.
Im happy to be corrected where i am wrong , but so far , the only fact i appear to have got wrong according to you is that the spanish beat the british to inventing them , and the germans ran them far more efficiently.
It's going to be a better discussion if you stick to arguing against things I've actually said. I never said, for example, that it was OK for the British to use concentration camps in South Africa because the Spanish got there first. You said the British invented them and the Nazis copied the British camps in WWII. Neither is true. The rounding up of civilian populations during war time sprang up on at least 3 continents at roughly the same time. Innovations such as barbed wire and machine guns made it possible for the first time to detain large amounts of people with only a very small amount of guards. Even before those innovations rounding up the population and detaining them was practised around the world. Indian reservations in the US for example. Your nationalism is leading you to blame the British for the atrocities of Dachau. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 14:43:57 GMT
I never said that it was alright . I refuted your false claim that Boer concentration camps are comparable with German ones.
Cornelis Broeksema, an attorney from Holland was executed as a traitor by firing squad at the Johannesburg Fort. This was done because he exposed the atrocities of the British concentration camps during the ABWII that was unreported.
A reported 130,000 Kenyans were tortured and killed in British concentration camps amidst holidaying Princess Elizabeth being told she was Queen
And your point is ? |
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2023 14:52:42 GMT
weve addressed this earlier yet again monte. So in your world , the fact the spanish pipped the british to the invention of the concentration camp makes it all ok does it? Then , to further wash out the evil of the british , you then go onto argue semantics about the names of these camps , largely trying to ignore in the process the events and atrocities perpetrated in them?
Im pretty sure an inmate in a british concentration camp wouldny have felt any better off than in a german one years later.
Im happy to be corrected where i am wrong , but so far , the only fact i appear to have got wrong according to you is that the spanish beat the british to inventing them , and the germans ran them far more efficiently.
It's going to be a better discussion if you stick to arguing against things I've actually said. I never said, for example, that it was OK for the British to use concentration camps in South Africa because the Spanish got there first. ok. Im implying that you are trying to dilute the evil of the british camps in many countires by arguing semantics over the names and ignoring the atrocities commited in them.
Totally disagree. I have taken your word for the first , but disagree on the second. Hitler himself , in a speech in the reichstag on 30/1/1941 , claimed the nazi regime copied their camps from the british.
you are dancing once again on the head of a pin telling part truths while ignoring the events in the camps which is the issue at hand.
your british nationalism is leading you in denial of historical fact. Im merely giving you a different perspective , and telling you how much of the world views the british as bad as they do the germans or even russians for example.
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2023 14:55:11 GMT
Cornelis Broeksema, an attorney from Holland was executed as a traitor by firing squad at the Johannesburg Fort. This was done because he exposed the atrocities of the British concentration camps during the ABWII that was unreported.
A reported 130,000 Kenyans were tortured and killed in British concentration camps amidst holidaying Princess Elizabeth being told she was Queen
And your point is ? ...i refute your point that the british concentration camps in many countires were any less evil than the german apart from in numbers killled and technology used. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 14:59:18 GMT
...i refute your point that the british concentration camps in many countires were any less evil than the german apart from in numbers killled and technology used. You seem to be making up false claims to refute . I merely refuted your false claim that Boer concentration camps are comparable with German ones. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2023 15:02:03 GMT
...i refute your point that the british concentration camps in many countires were any less evil than the german apart from in numbers killled and technology used. You seem to be making up false claims to refute . I merely refuted your false claim that Boer concentration camps are comparable with German ones. you are arguing semantics again . Please re read the thread. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 15:08:48 GMT
You seem to be making up false claims to refute . I merely refuted your false claim that Boer concentration camps are comparable with German ones. you are arguing semantics again . Please re read the thread. Clearly I am not . The only similarities between the camps is fences and guards . Both camps had different purposes . I note that you claim (“Hitler himself , in a speech in the reichstag on 30/1/1941 ,” )claimed that the German copied the British . Thats nearly 17 months into the war . Well he must of been telling the truth then lol. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 8, 2023 22:47:32 GMT
Moscow is in Europe and was fundamental to Hitler's aims. He never 'kicked the door down' and never reigned over Eastern Europe as he wished. If he had taken Moscow successfully he would have consolidated the rest of Europe. buccy you are clutching at straws mate. They went as far as leningrad in the north , came close to moscow , and were just over a hundred mile from reaching the caspian sea i nthe south.
for all intents and purposes they had largely annexed much of what we regard as eastern europe.
I think you're clutching at straws with your semantics over my 'conquered Europe' comment. Germany never conquered Europe and consolidated it. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 8, 2023 22:57:26 GMT
So this has turned from a thread started by Dan Dare about Hitler to one where Thomas decries British colonial policy, something the Scottish were compliant in and made their wealth from.
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2023 6:17:34 GMT
buccy you are clutching at straws mate. They went as far as leningrad in the north , came close to moscow , and were just over a hundred mile from reaching the caspian sea i nthe south.
for all intents and purposes they had largely annexed much of what we regard as eastern europe.
I think you're clutching at straws with your semantics over my 'conquered Europe' comment. Germany never conquered Europe and consolidated it. I cant help it buccy if your geography , like your knowledge of politics and much else , isnt that good. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2023 6:24:26 GMT
you are arguing semantics again . Please re read the thread. Clearly I am not . The only similarities between the camps is fences and guards . Both camps had different purposes . I note that you claim (“Hitler himself , in a speech in the reichstag on 30/1/1941 ,” )claimed that the German copied the British . Thats nearly 17 months into the war . Well he must of been telling the truth then lol. im crying here benny.
'Spin' on Boer atrocities
Letters reveal British effort to cover up true horrors of the first death camps
British officials considered launching a publicity campaign to cover up the true conditions of concentration camps in which thousands of women and children died during the Boer War, new documents have revealed.
That's classic Milner - he was well aware of the need to manage public opinion. This is a very interesting archive,' said Dr Iain Smith, a South African history expert at the University of Warwick.
The British Army created the concentration camps as part of a campaign against Boer guerrillas fighting against the takeover of their independent republic. Civilians were herded into the camps from their farms, but the insanitary conditions cost many their lives as hunger and disease ran rampant. Between June 1901 and May 1902, of the 115,000 people in the camps, almost 28,000 died, about 22,000 of them children. The death toll represented about 10 per cent of the Boer population. About 20,000 black people also died in other camps.
'It is an episode that British people very clearly want to forget and brush under the carpet. It was grim and reprehensible,' said Roger Westwood-Brookes, a documents expert at Dominic Winter Book Auctions, the firm that is selling the archive.
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