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Post by buccaneer on Jul 8, 2023 12:58:46 GMT
What if Hitler had conquered Europe? Eh? He did conquer europe. With the exception of these islands , neutral states and allies , and in the east he had the soviet pushed right back to the boundaries of the east of europe.
Yes, well when I said that I was including the Russia when he failed with Barbarossa. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2023 13:07:23 GMT
Wether its genocide or not is merely your interpretation. To me , wether killing 50 000 human beings or 5 million , we are merely arguing numbers , not the unspeakable evilness of the act.
The original point was that hitler had copied what the british did , and with german ingenuity took it to another level.
It’s not an interpretation. The concentration camps in the Boer war were not specifically death and/ or slave camps . The German concentration camps has a different purpose and some were pretty much death camps on an industrial scale . Comparing them to the boer concentration camps is risible . Hitler didn’t copy the British because the German camps were not used for the same purpose. Im sure that the Germans could of thought of a way to enclose thousand of people on their own. In short your defence of the british deliberately killing 50 000 human beings in concentration camps in south africa is risible , like much of the rubbish you post on here.
You can dance on the head of a pin about these camps all day long , but the fact is the germans copied their camps from what the british had done decades earlier. I see you have been listening to the risible and controversial comments of tory mp rees mogg who like you are trying to defend the indefensibile.
The british had been well know around the world in many nations for acts of genocide. Ireland and bengal being two of them. The greatest achievement of hitler was merely to take a lot of the flak away from the behaviour of the british in many nations.
A Shameful Legacy: How Britain invented the concentration camp
Concentration camps were utilised by the British Army at the turn of the 20th century during the Boer War. Author and self-professed ‘history buff’ Stephen Cowell deals with this dark side of warfare in his new novel, Broome Park. Here, he reveals the unpleasant truth of these camps, and explains how the actions of a few brave women helped ensure they would never be used again in British warfare.
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2023 13:08:52 GMT
Eh? He did conquer europe. With the exception of these islands , neutral states and allies , and in the east he had the soviet pushed right back to the boundaries of the east of europe.
Yes, well when I said that I was including the Russia when he failed with Barbarossa. not sure on your geography buccy , but the vast majority of russia isnt in europe mate. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 13:11:49 GMT
It’s not an interpretation. The concentration camps in the Boer war were not specifically death and/ or slave camps . The German concentration camps has a different purpose and some were pretty much death camps on an industrial scale . Comparing them to the boer concentration camps is risible . Hitler didn’t copy the British because the German camps were not used for the same purpose. Im sure that the Germans could of thought of a way to enclose thousand of people on their own. In short your defence of the british deliberately killing 50 000 human beings in concentration camps in south africa is risible , like much of the rubbish you post on here.
You can dance on the head of a pin about these camps all day long , but the fact is the germans copied their camps from what the british had done decades earlier. I see you have been listening to the risible and controversial comments of tory mp rees mogg who like you are trying to defend the indefensibile.
The british had been well know around the world in many nations for acts of genocide. Ireland and bengal being two of them. The greatest achievement of hitler was merely to take a lot of the flak away from the behaviour of the british in many nations.
A Shameful Legacy: How Britain invented the concentration camp
Concentration camps were utilised by the British Army at the turn of the 20th century during the Boer War. Author and self-professed ‘history buff’ Stephen Cowell deals with this dark side of warfare in his new novel, Broome Park. Here, he reveals the unpleasant truth of these camps, and explains how the actions of a few brave women helped ensure they would never be used again in British warfare.
I didn’t defend the British . I pointed out the obvious . The Boer concentration camps had no comparison to the Nazi camps . Hitler didn’t copy an industrial sized operation of genocide,death and slavery camps from the British because the British never had one . |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 8, 2023 13:13:04 GMT
Yes, well when I said that I was including the Russia when he failed with Barbarossa. not sure on your geography buccy , but the vast majority of russia isnt in europe mate. Moscow is in Europe and was fundamental to Hitler's aims. He never 'kicked the door down' and never reigned over Eastern Europe as he wished. If he had taken Moscow successfully he would have consolidated the rest of Europe. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2023 13:15:47 GMT
In short your defence of the british deliberately killing 50 000 human beings in concentration camps in south africa is risible , like much of the rubbish you post on here.
You can dance on the head of a pin about these camps all day long , but the fact is the germans copied their camps from what the british had done decades earlier. I see you have been listening to the risible and controversial comments of tory mp rees mogg who like you are trying to defend the indefensibile.
The british had been well know around the world in many nations for acts of genocide. Ireland and bengal being two of them. The greatest achievement of hitler was merely to take a lot of the flak away from the behaviour of the british in many nations.
A Shameful Legacy: How Britain invented the concentration camp
Concentration camps were utilised by the British Army at the turn of the 20th century during the Boer War. Author and self-professed ‘history buff’ Stephen Cowell deals with this dark side of warfare in his new novel, Broome Park. Here, he reveals the unpleasant truth of these camps, and explains how the actions of a few brave women helped ensure they would never be used again in British warfare.
I didn’t defend the British . I pointed out the obvious . The Boer concentration camps had no comparison to the Nazi camps . Hitler didn’t copy an industrial sized operation of genocide,death and slavery camps from the British because the British never had one . The comparison was as i have said many times the germans copied what the british had done decades earlier in south africa , but took it to a new level.
So because hitler had advanced technology , and german ingenuity at his disposal that the british perhaps lacked decades earlier is wasnt comparable? Ah well that makes it all right then doesnt it ? 
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 13:20:34 GMT
Has that photo been verified? For all we know it could be ScotNat/Nazi propaganda uploaded onto Getty Images.
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2023 13:21:13 GMT
not sure on your geography buccy , but the vast majority of russia isnt in europe mate. Moscow is in Europe and was fundamental to Hitler's aims. He never 'kicked the door down' and never reigned over Eastern Europe as he wished. If he had taken Moscow successfully he would have consolidated the rest of Europe. buccy you are clutching at straws mate. They went as far as leningrad in the north , came close to moscow , and were just over a hundred mile from reaching the caspian sea i nthe south.
for all intents and purposes they had largely annexed much of what we regard as eastern europe.
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2023 13:22:17 GMT
Has that photo been verified? For all we know it could be ScotNat/Nazi propaganda uploaded onto Getty Images. could be a starving child in manchester , suffering under the tories , but i think it really is a boer child. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2023 13:24:35 GMT
could be ScotNat/Nazi propaganda uploaded onto Getty Images. There is an underground bunker on the east bank of loch lomond that the scottish intelligence services are operating from as we speak , in conjunction with the evil european union spies.
They are all out to get you B4 . So watch out mate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 13:28:21 GMT
This isn't about me, Thomas. It's a very important question. History is full of rewrites and BS propaganda, especially since the advent of the Internet. I wasn't saying it wasn't true, only that as a person who cannot get away with such lazy research, I would prefer to see a verified reference and not shocking imagery to manipulate feelies.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 8, 2023 13:34:36 GMT
It’s not an interpretation. The concentration camps in the Boer war were not specifically death and/ or slave camps . The German concentration camps has a different purpose and some were pretty much death camps on an industrial scale . Comparing them to the boer concentration camps is risible . Hitler didn’t copy the British because the German camps were not used for the same purpose. Im sure that the Germans could of thought of a way to enclose thousand of people on their own. In short your defence of the british deliberately killing 50 000 human beings in concentration camps in south africa is risible , like much of the rubbish you post on here.
You can dance on the head of a pin about these camps all day long , but the fact is the germans copied their camps from what the british had done decades earlier. I see you have been listening to the risible and controversial comments of tory mp rees mogg who like you are trying to defend the indefensibile.
The british had been well know around the world in many nations for acts of genocide. Ireland and bengal being two of them. The greatest achievement of hitler was merely to take a lot of the flak away from the behaviour of the british in many nations.
A Shameful Legacy: How Britain invented the concentration camp
Concentration camps were utilised by the British Army at the turn of the 20th century during the Boer War. Author and self-professed ‘history buff’ Stephen Cowell deals with this dark side of warfare in his new novel, Broome Park. Here, he reveals the unpleasant truth of these camps, and explains how the actions of a few brave women helped ensure they would never be used again in British warfare.
Britain did not invent the concentration camp. Aside from the fact that detaining your enemy has been a part of war since wars began, the first modern concentration camps utilising the new innovations of barbed wire and machine guns were used by the Spanish in Cuba (resulting in some 150,000 deaths) some 5 years before they were used in South Africa. Germany itself had camps in Namibia where more died than in the Boer War camps and the Germans had an active policy of killing all Bushmen armed or not. Deliberate genocide. The big difference though is that the British public was so appalled by the deaths of civilians (well the white ones anyway, they were not so bothered about blacks dying in the camps) that Britain never used them again. Germany had no such qualms. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2023 13:35:32 GMT
This isn't about me, Thomas. It's a very important question. History is full of rewrites and BS propaganda, especially since the advent of the Internet. I wasn't saying it wasn't true, only that as a person who cannot get away with such lazy research, I would prefer to see a verified reference and not shocking imagery to manipulate feelies. I think its historical fact , and well established that the british had concentration camps , not my description , but what the experts call them , in south africa a 100 years ago. Not to mention the unspeakable acts of evil perpetrated in them.
The picture is merely emphasising the evil that went on in those camps , and the deaths of 50 000 innocent souls .
If the picture harms your fragile sensibilities , dont look at it , and perhaps read up on what the british did in the camps instead, although im not sure written description will be any less worse .
Sadly , the germans werent the only evil people in history.
the horrors of the british concentration camps , or the british genocide on the irish , have been well written about long before the advent of the internet b4.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 8, 2023 13:42:13 GMT
There is no evidence I'm aware of that confirms the Third Reich had any territorial ambitions beyond Europe. If you have some I'd like to see it. If you seriously believe that Hitler wouid have stopped at France to Russia and allowed a small Island next door to France to have an empire then good for you . The fact is that any relations between Germany and Britain that is not factual will be speculative. Germany would have taken territory in Africa too . They were already there . I believe in what can reasonably be gleaned from the available sources, not in fairy tales based on wishful thinking, speculation and a little light googling. I provided you with the sources I have relied on but you don't appear to have bothered consulting them.
And btw, the Germans were not in Africa at the time in question (1940). That only came later, Rommel arrived in August 1941.
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2023 13:42:53 GMT
In short your defence of the british deliberately killing 50 000 human beings in concentration camps in south africa is risible , like much of the rubbish you post on here.
You can dance on the head of a pin about these camps all day long , but the fact is the germans copied their camps from what the british had done decades earlier. I see you have been listening to the risible and controversial comments of tory mp rees mogg who like you are trying to defend the indefensibile.
The british had been well know around the world in many nations for acts of genocide. Ireland and bengal being two of them. The greatest achievement of hitler was merely to take a lot of the flak away from the behaviour of the british in many nations.
A Shameful Legacy: How Britain invented the concentration camp
Concentration camps were utilised by the British Army at the turn of the 20th century during the Boer War. Author and self-professed ‘history buff’ Stephen Cowell deals with this dark side of warfare in his new novel, Broome Park. Here, he reveals the unpleasant truth of these camps, and explains how the actions of a few brave women helped ensure they would never be used again in British warfare.
Britain did not invent the concentration camp. Aside from the fact that detaining your enemy has been a part of war since wars began, the first modern concentration camps utilising the new innovations of barbed wire and machine guns were used by the Spanish in Cuba (resulting in some 150,000 deaths) some 5 years before they were used in South Africa. Germany itself had camps in Namibia where more died than in the Boer War camps and the Germans had an active policy of killing all Bushmen armed or not. Deliberate genocide. The big difference though is that the British public was so appalled by the deaths of civilians (well the white ones anyway, they were not so bothered about blacks dying in the camps) that Britain never used them again. Germany had no such qualms. again monte we are dancing on the head of a pin here. Wether the british were just pipped to the line by the spanish in the race to invent the concetration camp matters not a jot. The british still enthusiastically used them , and killed tens of thousands ruthlessley in them.
No ? When the british starved 4 million irish to death , and forced them to migrate off their lands much to worldwide condemnation , im not sure the british public were any less uncaring than the german a century later.
We seem to have went from comparing unspeakable acts of evil , to a race to see who invented what first ,what the purpose of killing was for , and who showed the most remorse rather than the condemnation of an unspeakable act of evil no matter who or what perpetrated it.
That isnt true. They were using the same camps and commiteing the same atrocities in kenya during the mau mau rebellion 60 years later.
In a new documentary released last month in the UK, Kenyan and British historians describe how Britain secretly used torture against prisoners in Mau Mau detention camps during the anti-colonial uprising movement in the 1950s. One of the Kenyans featured is historian and digital heritage scholar Chao Tayiana, the founder of the African Digital Heritage Project (ADHP), an organization focusing on the use of technology in preserving and sharing African heritage.
“It really flipped the script as to who is uncivilized,” Tayiana says in the film, which reveals details from a secret archive known as the “Hanslope Disclosure” that remained hidden from public view for over 50 years. The archive contained damning evidence on Britain’s use of torture including murder, rape, and forced castrations against Mau Mau prisoners. Surviving veterans of this period are also featured in the film, and describe the appalling conditions they endured in detention.
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