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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 4, 2023 11:52:28 GMT
Tying people to cannons was a time-honoured tradition in the Raj. The ceremony was conducted on the parade-ground on every army cantonment each Friday p.m. after pay parade and before tiffin. Nobody would miss it for the world.
PS did you hear the one about Mohamedan mutineers who were buried in pig skin? Worra laff eh.
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 4, 2023 12:05:15 GMT
Tying people to cannons was a time-honoured tradition in the Raj. The ceremony was conducted on the parade-ground on every army cantonment each Friday p.m. after pay parade and before tiffin. Nobody would miss it for the world. PS did you hear the one about Mohamedan mutineers who were buried in pig skin? Worra laff eh. I rest my case. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 4, 2023 12:08:16 GMT
Are you American as well as Fenian? You seem to have missed out when the irony gene was passed around.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 4, 2023 12:22:52 GMT
Here's a good one (2 out of three so far)
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Post by Orac on Jun 4, 2023 12:33:46 GMT
holy cow
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 4, 2023 12:37:43 GMT
Here's a good one (2 out of three so far)
Link? |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 4, 2023 12:45:17 GMT
Here's a good one (2 out of three so far)
Did Channel 4 make this, or was it made by your friends on the far right? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 4, 2023 13:08:16 GMT
^ more inanity.
And the link you're demanding is right in front of your nose!
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Post by Orac on Jun 4, 2023 13:35:05 GMT
Odd stuff
Presumably, we are expected to believe that extremely powerful extra-terrestrial intelligence has decided that, rather than use its power to sort out the problems in these people's homelands, it would better to cart them all to a tiny, over-crowded island.
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 4, 2023 15:34:19 GMT
^ more inanity. And the link you're demanding is right in front of your nose! Fair enough. But it is from 5 years ago, before the dinghies started arriving. Channel 4 would not have produced that today, given the obvious link that would be made. I was under the impression that you were presenting it as something that is presently being aired or about to be aired. |
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Post by Ripley on Jun 4, 2023 15:52:49 GMT
I wasn't commenting on the issue itself, but in the way Shah's presumably written comments were quoted. It didn't make sense to me that he would choose a lofty word such as deracinated and then put it in a run-on sentence. It caused me to wonder if he was misquoted. Both Red’s post and the Guardian are saying the same thing. The difference is in the way they are saying it. Whereas the Guardian makes it clear where they are paraphrasing, Red’s post makes it look as if Shah wrote a run-on sentence. It's entirely possible, of course, that Shah's words were not written but spoken, in which case Shah is not responsible for the run-on sentence. Red`s post: Quote Broadcasters have overcompensated for a lack of people from ethnic minorities by putting too many black and Asian faces on TV, this has led to a world of deracinated coloured people flickering across our screens - to the irritation of many viewers and the embarrassment of the very people such actions are meant to appease. The Guardian: Broadcasters have overcompensated for their lack of executives from ethnic minorities by putting too many black and Asian faces onscreen, a leading television industry figure said last night. Samir Shah, a member of the BBC`s board of directors, said this had led to a “world of deracinated coloured people flickering across our screens - to the irritation of many viewers and the embarrassment of the very people such actions are meant to appease”. Much ado about nothing, I know. It just jumped off the page at me and seemed an incongruous way for a BBC director to write. Yes I see that however it is the selection of the word deracinated, and even if he had used the more prosaic uprooted, still. places a nuance of being forced to leave a previous native environment. It is a strange way to refer to a cohort that is both here by choice and has many trying to get here by any means possible. It may be more relevant to the US black population but it jars on reading when referring to ethnic minorities in the UK. He attributes what he sees as an excess of blacks and Asians on television to the fact that broadcasters had to compensate for not having hired a statistically sufficient number from these population groups in the first place. I don't see how his use of deracinated is even relevant to the point he is making, which is that in overcorrecting the problem, broadcasters have created a different problem. He could have reached a wider audience with uprooted, but why was it necessary to mention that at all? I think he was aiming his remarks at a narrower audience. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 4, 2023 15:59:40 GMT
Why would you regurgitate an old debate and not address the fact that the stats you referred to were derived in a way to paint a picture, and are used in a way to perpetuate that picture, that is just plain false. You raised the issue of stats as though that sealed the deal. What's the point, Sandy? You must have seen the video evidence with your own eyes. How can you deny that Floyd was unlawfully killed? If the evidence of your own eyes won't do it, nothing will. I am not denying anything, I am questioning your use of the stats when you said. "I imagine they kneel because black men were being disproportionately killed by the US police. Floyd's death was caught on camera. The statistics are out there." So you say the stats are out there to show black people are being disproportionately killed by the police. I am saying those stats are erroneous in how they arrive at that conclusion and the stats that are out there are nonsensical rubbish as they relate two unrelated things. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 4, 2023 16:06:00 GMT
Yes I see that however it is the selection of the word deracinated, and even if he had used the more prosaic uprooted, still. places a nuance of being forced to leave a previous native environment. It is a strange way to refer to a cohort that is both here by choice and has many trying to get here by any means possible. It may be more relevant to the US black population but it jars on reading when referring to ethnic minorities in the UK. He attributes what he sees as an excess of blacks and Asians on television to the fact that broadcasters had to compensate for not having hired a statistically sufficient number from these population groups in the first place. I don't see how his use of deracinated is even relevant to the point he is making, which is that in overcorrecting the problem, broadcasters have created a different problem. He could have reached a wider audience with uprooted, but why was it necessary to mention that at all? I think he was aiming his remarks at a narrower audience. I understand all the points he is making. I am questioning solely his use of the word deracinated. It implies a forced removal and defines a victim status of the groups being selected for extra representation. The word was totally superfluous to his point but he used it for a reason. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 4, 2023 17:33:20 GMT
^ more inanity. And the link you're demanding is right in front of your nose! Fair enough. But it is from 5 years ago, before the dinghies started arriving. Channel 4 would not have produced that today, given the obvious link that would be made. I was under the impression that you were presenting it as something that is presently being aired or about to be aired. It has been shown on Channel 4 as recently as earlier this year. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 4, 2023 17:43:54 GMT
Fair enough. But it is from 5 years ago, before the dinghies started arriving. Channel 4 would not have produced that today, given the obvious link that would be made. I was under the impression that you were presenting it as something that is presently being aired or about to be aired. It has been shown on Channel 4 as recently as earlier this year. Well, I would agree that it is irresponsible if it encourages people to make the dangerous journey across the channel. Do you think it does? |
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