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Post by Toreador on Oct 28, 2022 11:49:57 GMT
There will be a generation of kids through schooling being told they are Europeans and Europe is the way forward and so by omission GB or UK is old or backward. Add to that business types will always look to expand and other rich people will likely look to have their second homes on the continent. Would not be surprised if things change again some years down the line yet maybe by then Europe will have changed too. Every country on the planet seems to want to and do band together with their neighbours. So, Europe (in the EU sense) is the way forward and isolationism is, indeed, old and backward. Because that's what you're saying, really, isn't it? -- Isolate the Brits as distinct, separate from Europeans. If it is profitable, businesses will always expand even to the ends of the earth -- that's the nature of business and there really is nothing wrong with having your second home on the continent. Regular pensioners enjoy their mass-produced villas in Spain; rich, plummy-accented English people love their renovated chateaux in France. What is wrong that, particularly, when you hear stories of locals resenting affluent Londoners for "taking over" the village? But the bottom line is that you seem to want all of us to embrace identity politics. Vote for someone who matches your own identity -- culture, skin colour, nationality, etc. -- without considering his arguments or what he's actually saying. We bound together with them in the forties, with a few exceptions of course. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 28, 2022 12:29:24 GMT
You appear to be too thick to understand that Muddle failed to show not only that we'd be 'force fed chlorinated chicken but that we'd even be forced to buy ot or unable to determine if we were buying it because he's a lying loser that's why and you've chosen to hold hands with him.  Clearly figurative language is too nuanced for you. Note to self: Avoid the oddball. Well piss off to another forum then. You back people posting wild lies here and you'll get feedback. Far from a nuanced position or figure of speech Muddle was posting trying to get people to believe a false position that serious people said we'd be forced to buy chlorinated chicken. Well it wasn't true because he's a liar and I'm not sure about you. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2022 21:22:52 GMT
There will be a generation of kids through schooling being told they are Europeans and Europe is the way forward and so by omission GB or UK is old or backward. Add to that business types will always look to expand and other rich people will likely look to have their second homes on the continent. Would not be surprised if things change again some years down the line yet maybe by then Europe will have changed too. But the UK is still in Europe, Bancroft. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 28, 2022 21:48:51 GMT
There will be a generation of kids through schooling being told they are Europeans and Europe is the way forward and so by omission GB or UK is old or backward. Add to that business types will always look to expand and other rich people will likely look to have their second homes on the continent. Would not be surprised if things change again some years down the line yet maybe by then Europe will have changed too. But the UK is still in Europe, Bancroft. And were any schools really teaching that 'we are Europeans first and Brits second' line I think he's referring to? I doubt it other than in the pages of the Daily Express. |
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Post by bancroft on Oct 29, 2022 16:11:00 GMT
There will be a generation of kids through schooling being told they are Europeans and Europe is the way forward and so by omission GB or UK is old or backward. Add to that business types will always look to expand and other rich people will likely look to have their second homes on the continent. Would not be surprised if things change again some years down the line yet maybe by then Europe will have changed too. But the UK is still in Europe, Bancroft. Geographically of course and politically adrift by choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2022 16:48:37 GMT
But the UK is still in Europe, Bancroft. Geographically of course and politically adrift by choice. Just say'n, but isn't this exactly what you want -- a United Kingdom that is not part of any European alliance of any kind? Free and sovereign, isolated buccaneering Britain adrift from its big, wealthy, powerful neighbours. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 29, 2022 17:50:00 GMT
We're politically independent and that suits me right down to the ground.
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Post by Steve on Oct 29, 2022 21:58:52 GMT
We're politically independent and that suits me right down to the ground. Probably does suit you to believe that but surely the last 7 weeks have shown you that we are never that independent. We are a debtor nation and the credit market demands sensible economics And sooner or later you are going to have to consider that overwhelmingly most people that voted Leave thought that supposed independence came at no cost and when they realise it wasn't you could be looking at a reaction. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 29, 2022 23:49:16 GMT
All economies are intertwined, but, our relationship with the EU had turned toxic, wasn't working democratically and had to change.
I don't think the EU can be reformed.
Our participation in it was making it worse.
We had to leave.
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Post by Steve on Oct 30, 2022 0:29:00 GMT
All economies are intertwined, but, our relationship with the EU had turned toxic, wasn't working democratically and had to change. I don't think the EU can be reformed. Our participation in it was making it worse. We had to leave. It was made toxic by that arse Farage with his antics We had a deal but he and his camp followers didn't want to give it a chance because you knew it might actually work |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 30, 2022 5:23:25 GMT
Read Monbiot, our presence in the EU wasn't working, it was making it worse and the organisation is unreformable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2022 7:27:13 GMT
We're politically independent and that suits me right down to the ground. That was the key argument. |
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Post by Toreador on Oct 30, 2022 7:35:55 GMT
All economies are intertwined, but, our relationship with the EU had turned toxic, wasn't working democratically and had to change. I don't think the EU can be reformed. Our participation in it was making it worse. We had to leave. It was made toxic by that arse Farage with his antics We had a deal but he and his camp followers didn't want to give it a chance because you knew it might actually work That isn't true unless you can show Farage had enough followers to make the difference. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 30, 2022 12:37:20 GMT
It was made toxic by that arse Farage with his antics We had a deal but he and his camp followers didn't want to give it a chance because you knew it might actually work That isn't true unless you can show Farage had enough followers to make the difference. Did you sleep through 2016? Have you missed all those posts here and in the old place saying Farage was the one wot dunnit? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 23, 2022 12:31:00 GMT
Thanks. As long as you stop going round and round in circles, phrasing and rephrasing the same question, turning it inside out, backwards and forwards, seemingly in the hope that it would somehow turn into a valid argument; then I'm OK. Are you related to Jeremy Corbyn - he also thought he had won the argument whilst leading Labour to the biggest loss in 75 years.. I thought the main problem for Labour was Corbyn actually said sod all. He didn’t make an argument… |
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