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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2022 9:25:21 GMT
... We're facing a global recession and even if we'd stayed in the EU, we'd have huge inflationary problems, probably as bad as we've got. Arguable but agreed: If we'd stayed in the EU, we'd have huge inflationary problems, probably as bad as we've got. But this raises a fresh set of arguments. The argument that that statement raises is: Having experienced the balls-up that is BJ's Brexit; why did we not stay in the EU, in the first place (rhetorical) and why don't we renegotiate with a view to having a closer and beneficial trade relationship with the EU (realistic)? |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 26, 2022 9:38:11 GMT
You're entitled to your opinion, I don't share that view.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2022 9:44:44 GMT
I assume you do not share the view that your statement raises new questions or arguments. Fair enough.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 26, 2022 10:36:00 GMT
So why are you still trying fight arguments you lost 6 years ag0 ?The arguments were not lost, they still hold true today they were just ignored. No - the electorate listened to both sides and cast their vote accordingly. It's no use you blaming the public for your failure to articulate a convincing argument. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 26, 2022 10:39:54 GMT
So why are you still trying fight arguments you lost 6 years ago? ^ Exactly as I suggested earlier: unable to or unwilling to distinguish between what's then and what's now. You seem to have convinced yourself that in politics winning the vote equates with winning the argument. So, why don't you tell us more about the arguments we supposedly lost 6 years ago? I mean, what are these arguments? Well lets take your OP - reintroduce Freedom of Movement. The Remain side put forward their reasons for retaining FoM - the Leave side put forward their reasons for exiting FoM - and the public decided. That you the argument and failed to convince the Public is nobody's fault but yours. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 26, 2022 10:49:52 GMT
It's on the old forum. As you well know. And which I now can't quote because it's gone. As you also well know. So there were no other sources? All you have to back your bile is you say someone posted stupid on the old forum. IE not only no recognised figure said we'd be 'force fed chlorinated chicken' as you suppose but there's nothing on the web you can point to Or in short you made it up |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2022 11:19:30 GMT
^ Exactly as I suggested earlier: unable to or unwilling to distinguish between what's then and what's now. You seem to have convinced yourself that in politics winning the vote equates with winning the argument. So, why don't you tell us more about the arguments we supposedly lost 6 years ago? I mean, what are these arguments? Well lets take your OP - reintroduce Freedom of Movement. The Remain side put forward their reasons for retaining FoM - the Leave side put forward their reasons for exiting FoM - and the public decided. That you the argument and failed to convince the Public is nobody's fault but yours. You are just rephrasing your earlier statement that winning the vote equates with winning the argument and conversely, losing the vote equates with losing the argument. But the truth of the matter is that, especially in politics, you don't have to win the argument to win an election. Or a referendum, for that matter. For example, this thing about FoM; if FoM was in still place; the Port of Dover drama last summer wouldn't and couldn't have happened. That alone is a winning argument for reintroducing FoM. But here you are effectively declaring that you would not consider it. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 26, 2022 14:19:53 GMT
So there were no other sources? All you have to back your bile is you say someone posted stupid on the old forum. IE not only no recognised figure said we'd be 'force fed chlorinated chicken' as you suppose but there's nothing on the web you can point to Or in short you made it up Here's some links: linklinklinkThey're pretty much the top results when you Google "Chlorinated chicken". As you well know. So will you now admit to lying like a cheap whore for the umpteenth time?  |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 26, 2022 17:26:43 GMT
Well lets take your OP - reintroduce Freedom of Movement. The Remain side put forward their reasons for retaining FoM - the Leave side put forward their reasons for exiting FoM - and the public decided. That you the argument and failed to convince the Public is nobody's fault but yours. You are just rephrasing your earlier statement that winning the vote equates with winning the argument and conversely, losing the vote equates with losing the argument. But the truth of the matter is that, especially in politics, you don't have to win the argument to win an election. Or a referendum, for that matter. For example, this thing about FoM; if FoM was in still place; the Port of Dover drama last summer wouldn't and couldn't have happened. That alone is a winning argument for reintroducing FoM. But here you are effectively declaring that you would not consider it. So you won all the arguments and still lost the vote?.. perhaps you were not as convincing as you thought.. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 26, 2022 19:00:53 GMT
What has banning freedom off movement achieved in relation to immigration figures absolutely Nothing there was one argument won by the remain group.
But I guess Borris getting on his high horse with his phoney patriotic speech won the Day
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 26, 2022 19:27:43 GMT
It's got rid of a lot of foreign criminals.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 26, 2022 21:26:46 GMT
What has banning freedom off movement achieved in relation to immigration figures absolutely Nothing there was one argument won by the remain group. But I guess Borris getting on his high horse with his phoney patriotic speech won the Day Oh that is simple - it has allowed the electorate to cast judgement on the performance of the government of the day. Which is actually the whole point of having elections. |
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Post by sword on Oct 26, 2022 22:33:31 GMT
Never mind loco Joe Biden congratulated our new unelected Prime minister on his new job,Rashid Sanook Lol!
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 27, 2022 1:56:50 GMT
It's got rid of a lot of foreign criminals. Have you got any prove to back retric up ? the prision stats foin 2017 says in England and Wales we had 4, 000 in mates 5% of the prison population we have aprox 13/14% ÷ EU citizens In this country compair that to the 12% other natiotionals in the prision population The wworldwide immigration has increased since Brexit. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 27, 2022 2:00:54 GMT
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