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Post by om15 on May 9, 2023 11:34:24 GMT
The traditional Tory voters stayed at home for the local elections.
For the next 12-18 months we will be treated to Starmer acting as though the general election will be a walk over, we will hear SNP, Lib Dem, Green nutcases babbling their nonsense.
The new British will start to go off to Rwanda, (and find it nicer than here no doubt), inflation will go down, NHS will start to creak back to an inadequate normal and the Tory voters will very reluctantly go back to the ballot box and we will have a reduced Tory majority.
Anything else would be pretty dreadful.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 9, 2023 11:58:22 GMT
The traditional Tory voters stayed at home for the local elections. For the next 12-18 months we will be treated to Starmer acting as though the general election will be a walk over, we will hear SNP, Lib Dem, Green nutcases babbling their nonsense. The new British will start to go off to Rwanda, (and find it nicer than here no doubt), inflation will go down, NHS will start to creak back to an inadequate normal and the Tory voters will very reluctantly go back to the ballot box and we will have a reduced Tory majority. Anything else would be pretty dreadful. I suspect that you're correct.
Well, either it'll either be that or a hung parliament.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 11:58:45 GMT
Labour majority on knife edge, says polling guru as Sunak faces no confidence vote
Analysis by polling guru Professor Sir John Curtice for the BBC found that if England’s local election results were replicated at a general election, it would leave Labour 14 seats short of the 326 needed for an overall majority.
However, the elections expert has revealed that a 12 per cent swing from the Tories to Labour seen in five key seats – indicative of the three-way battle ahead in many parts of the country – would hand Labour a slim majority.
In my area local elections run on which party will do the best job of collecting the rubbish and is least inclined to dig up the roads.
I like Sir John, but how he hopes to extrapolate that to a general election is beyond me.
In my time walking from door to door canvassing in local elections, local issues would come up naturally. But at least as many use them to express their opinion of national politics. And even on local issues, for many there tended to be a close correlation between whom they thought best at dealing with local issues and whom they thought best at running the country. Those that thought, for example, that the Tories were best at running the country tended to think they were the best at running the council. So there is a reasonable correlation between support for parties in local elections and support for parties in national ones, so it is not unreasonable to draw inferences. But with the proviso that the correlations are never going to be exact and local issues might loom larger in some areas than others. There is also the very large proviso that a much higher proportion of people vote in General Elections but not in local ones, so those who only vote in the former are having zero impact on the local results but will very much count when they vote in a national election. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 12:10:10 GMT
The traditional Tory voters stayed at home for the local elections. For the next 12-18 months we will be treated to Starmer acting as though the general election will be a walk over, we will hear SNP, Lib Dem, Green nutcases babbling their nonsense. The new British will start to go off to Rwanda, (and find it nicer than here no doubt), inflation will go down, NHS will start to creak back to an inadequate normal and the Tory voters will very reluctantly go back to the ballot box and we will have a reduced Tory majority. Anything else would be pretty dreadful. Much as I loathe Starmer and his resurrected New Labour, another Tory majority would be the worst possible outcome and the last thing we need. The Tories themselves are in obvious need of a period in opposition to sort themselves out. I think a Labour majority is more likely than a Tory one but I actually want neither. There is no viable route to the much needed electoral reform other than through a hung parliament. When it comes to realistic scenarios I would much prefer Labour to be the largest party rather than the Tories. But far enough short of a majority that the support of others becomes necessary. And then these others can make a referendum on genuine PR a condition of their cooperation. So for me the more seats that Plaid, the SNP, the Lib Dems and the Greens get and the fewer that Labour or Tories get the better, provided that Labour at least gets more than the Tories. For my hopes to have any chance I need the Tories to be unable to form a viable coalition so it has to be Labour. They are more likely to surrender on PR for power I think, though even this is far from certain |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 13:40:32 GMT
Asking the voters is the pinnacle of democracy that's how we elect a parliament. Voting is not anti democratic. its not and i havent claimed it anti democratic.
You hold a vote , then the winner has the result implemented , then you hold a new vote , and so on.
you dont re run votes everytime you lose.
re running votes because you dont like the result clearly is anti democratic , as the public informed labour in a landslide at the last ukge.
We do it every 5 years, we voted to leave in 2016 which is more than 5 years. That's democracy. |
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Post by thomas on May 9, 2023 13:42:26 GMT
its not and i havent claimed it anti democratic.
You hold a vote , then the winner has the result implemented , then you hold a new vote , and so on.
you dont re run votes everytime you lose.
re running votes because you dont like the result clearly is anti democratic , as the public informed labour in a landslide at the last ukge.
We do it every 5 years, we voted to leave in 2016 which is more than 5 years. That's democracy. every 5 years you hold a vote , and the winner has the result implemented , then so on.
Did you see the bit starmer and labour tried to miss out in 2016?  |
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Post by borchester on May 9, 2023 14:39:13 GMT
The traditional Tory voters stayed at home for the local elections. For the next 12-18 months we will be treated to Starmer acting as though the general election will be a walk over, we will hear SNP, Lib Dem, Green nutcases babbling their nonsense. The new British will start to go off to Rwanda, (and find it nicer than here no doubt), inflation will go down, NHS will start to creak back to an inadequate normal and the Tory voters will very reluctantly go back to the ballot box and we will have a reduced Tory majority. Anything else would be pretty dreadful. Much as I loathe Starmer and his resurrected New Labour, another Tory majority would be the worst possible outcome and the last thing we need. The Tories themselves are in obvious need of a period in opposition to sort themselves out. I think a Labour majority is more likely than a Tory one but I actually want neither. There is no viable route to the much needed electoral reform other than through a hung parliament. When it comes to realistic scenarios I would much prefer Labour to be the largest party rather than the Tories. But far enough short of a majority that the support of others becomes necessary. And then these others can make a referendum on genuine PR a condition of their cooperation. So for me the more seats that Plaid, the SNP, the Lib Dems and the Greens get and the fewer that Labour or Tories get the better, provided that Labour at least gets more than the Tories. For my hopes to have any chance I need the Tories to be unable to form a viable coalition so it has to be Labour. They are more likely to surrender on PR for power I think, though even this is far from certain So you ideal is nationalism with extra allotments? Sounds good, particularly since Slimy Sunak has packed his cabinet with remainers and assorted filth who won't be getting my vote |
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Post by Bentley on May 9, 2023 15:04:10 GMT
Sunak might be playing the only game that will work.
Scurrying back into the EU is not going to happen and a complete break from the EU is not going to work.
Sunak is trying to create good relations with the EU with a view to becoming closer to them in the future.
The EU didn’t want us to leave , the US doesn’t like us leaving and the rest of the world do not particularly want us .
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Post by sheepy on May 9, 2023 17:06:21 GMT
Sunak might be playing the only game that will work. Scurrying back into the EU is not going to happen and a complete break from the EU is not going to work. Sunak is trying to create good relations with the EU with a view to becoming closer to them in the future. The EU didn’t want us to leave , the US doesn’t like us leaving and the rest of the world do not particularly want us . Well that ain't exactly true either, they don't like or trust British politicians mostly like the rest of us for good reason. |
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Post by Bentley on May 9, 2023 17:59:23 GMT
Sunak might be playing the only game that will work. Scurrying back into the EU is not going to happen and a complete break from the EU is not going to work. Sunak is trying to create good relations with the EU with a view to becoming closer to them in the future. The EU didn’t want us to leave , the US doesn’t like us leaving and the rest of the world do not particularly want us . Well that ain't exactly true either, they don't like or trust British politicians mostly like the rest of us for good reason. What isn’t true? |
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Post by sheepy on May 10, 2023 6:06:26 GMT
Well that ain't exactly true either, they don't like or trust British politicians mostly like the rest of us for good reason. What isn’t true? That the rest of the world don't like us, the globalists have bypassed the vote leave anyway and so have the government unless you are blind and stupid. No all they don't like is not being in control, which they really weren't for a minute or two. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2023 6:11:41 GMT
We do it every 5 years, we voted to leave in 2016 which is more than 5 years. That's democracy. every 5 years you hold a vote , and the winner has the result implemented , then so on.
Did you see the bit starmer and labour tried to miss out in 2016? The result was implemented my question was "if another ref is held now and re-join won, why would people be upset". |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 10, 2023 6:49:25 GMT
There will not be a coalition so why worry. Anyway if we do have another referendum and re-join win why would you be upset? the snp will help also red. snp lib dem pro european scot indy government propping up new labour over the english inst going to go down well though im thinking. Do you think the snp and lib dems can take starmer back to the left though? I am not sure we can count on anything. The Tax evading Indian lost the party more than 1,000 council bums on council seats but was it his tax evading wife and his failure to shut down the way she exploited his office’s failures while he was next door, was it his antics and the way his rich chums fucked the person the party membership chose to lead the country instead of him, or was it an outpouring of hate for the party, and particularly Jeremy (K)hunt’s antics in allowing french energy companies to keep french energy price rises to 4% by making ous rise between 400 and 4000 % For a party supposedly on the brink of getting their arses back on seats in number ten, taking back less than half the tory losses and seeing the lib dems get over 400 of the others is no recipe for glory. Sunak and his pal next door pissed Boris’s red wall gains right up that wall by their antics or rather their inactivity while they focussed on ditching Boris - over fuel prices before doing too little far too late. Lib dems going home to prepare for government need to think hard about the fact the welsh used to be ruled by a lib/lab coalition but a treasonous piece of shit’s U turn on the labour invention called tuition fees saw their numbers in power slashed to a fifth what they had in Westminster when the party could hold its parliamentary meetings in TWO London cabs, one for Steel, Thorpe, Freud and A. N. Otha and the second cab for Cyril Smith on his own or maybe a few rent boys squeezed in the back… Clegg cost them every seat bar one in the Cardiff Shit Pit and Kirsty the Anorexic was given honorary LABOUR whip status in those final years fefire the yellow and orange lughts were utterly extinguished. And while Labour in wales are now propped up by reservior bombing, cottage burning breeders of labradors hoped to carry explosives to blow policemen’s legs off, the hopes north of the border for nationalism are focussed mire on whether Bobby Sands might have been able to be an MP if in the Maze for fraud instead of terrorism, for right now tbe antics of the poison dwarf and her husband seem to have left a money trail their auditors ran screaming from. Yes, i think Christmas 2024 will be an interesting time. But i have no idea who Santa is bringing a present of a big black door and a copper or two in front of it. |
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Post by oracle75 on May 10, 2023 6:49:30 GMT
If the UK applied to rejoin the EU tomorrow it would take a decade to get anywhete close to a vote in the EU administrations, which would be under different administrations in both places and im a very different context.
Why would the EU want the UK back in when it can decide what programmes it allows the UK to be part of and pay hamdsomely for the priviledge? Why when European banks are doing so well without UK competition and investment into the EU is doing so well?
Why would a stable alliance open its doors to a Trojan horse?
Best if the UK remain an unofficial historical and cultural ally but firmly under the control of the EU when it comes to the EU's strength and stability and growth.
And please dont insult me with your usual diversions or slogans or tropes or misinformation or unattributed data out of context. I am thoroughly bored with the same crap leavers rely on when not wanting to comfront the truth. Just rely on the stark fact that the EU does not want the UK back as a member and will share what it wants to share with the UK for a price. Whether you accept that is a choice but beware being locked out by the EU.example...France doesnt give a toss about cross channel dinghies but thanks the UK for the added payments on behalf of the UK. Or the gratefully accepted payments to be included in the Horizon project.
On a last note legally the UK got its severance from the EU. And what a roaring success that has been. Not. The real shame is that the ROW doesnt care. The UK chose its bed and now has to learn how to make it. Especially in an environment of buyers regret.
Such a pity when a supposedly intelligent country is duped by liars. Sounds like a good line in an obituary to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2023 9:19:15 GMT
every 5 years you hold a vote , and the winner has the result implemented , then so on.
Did you see the bit starmer and labour tried to miss out in 2016? The result was implemented my question was "if another ref is held now and re-join won, why would people be upset". People would not be upset if the sort of constraints the remainers wanted were invoked. i.e. minimum two thirds majority, only the truth being allowed in canvassing!! These were things said after remain lost. |
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