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Post by steppenwolf on May 9, 2023 6:31:30 GMT
Actually if Labour win I think they'll try to take us back into the EU without a referendum. They'll immediately agree to dynamic realignment with EU rules/laws/directives and that's virtually job done. Brexit completely neutered at a stroke.
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Post by Pacifico on May 9, 2023 6:43:14 GMT
So Ed is in favour of PR because it gives greater visibility of the details of opinion. Referenda give even greater detail and visibility. but Eddie is not in favour of the results from them... Although I do totally believe that if the result had been different then Ed would have been lauding referendum results as the conformed will of the people..  |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 6:54:10 GMT
There will not be a coalition so why worry. Anyway if we do have another referendum and re-join win why would you be upset? Would you be advocating a confirmatory referendum if we did? To late for a confirmatory ref, we would need to have a new ref. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 6:56:19 GMT
Interesting that no one has answered - "Anyway if we do have another referendum and re-join win why would you be upset?" are you testing the water red? is starmers make brexit work mask slipping? I tell you red , starmer will set this country on fire like a fucking skip fire with his lies over brexit.
The dimwits in new labour never learn.
Not at all, the question comes from the fact that people are saying that the LibDems would require one for an 'agreement' I'm just wondering if the 'democratic' posters would oppose a democratic process. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 6:57:38 GMT
Interesting that no one has answered - "Anyway if we do have another referendum and re-join win why would you be upset?" I would be upset because there has been an ongoing and expensive campaign from 2016 that has the support of many 'people of influence' and the propaganda machine has been at full blast to bring about that change. We now see that we have a choice to vote for a choice of three parties with the same policies and now we see that when we voted for Brexit that what we actually voted for was EU or EU but a longer way round. You do not really approve of democracy do you as the whole point is to allow the electorate the choice to make decisions, not the choice to choose between two almost identical positions. It would be democracy in action, surely. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 6:58:58 GMT
Actually if Labour win I think they'll try to take us back into the EU without a referendum. They'll immediately agree to dynamic realignment with EU rules/laws/directives and that's virtually job done. Brexit completely neutered at a stroke. Good idea. |
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Post by sheepy on May 9, 2023 6:59:44 GMT
are you testing the water red? is starmers make brexit work mask slipping? I tell you red , starmer will set this country on fire like a fucking skip fire with his lies over brexit.
The dimwits in new labour never learn.
Not at all, the question comes from the fact that people are saying that the LibDems would require one for an 'agreement' I'm just wondering if the 'democratic' posters would oppose a democratic process. We had a democratic process which you were told was an end to it either way, but being like the establishment you are so thick skinned you never listened. |
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Post by thomas on May 9, 2023 7:03:26 GMT
Edit to add....39 lib dems? cant see it myself , but the way starmer is going you never know.
That's not going to happen. You can't use the local elections to predict the GE - and 75 for "Others" is just ridiculous. heres the latest redfield and wilton poll tracker showing labour dropping from 37 point lead 5 months ago , to 12 points now.
Clearly all the pollsters , from redfield above , to gurus like sir john curtice and many more , are noticing the crash of labours soft polling lead , and increasingly talking of a hung parliament. Labour are meanwhile panicking , as starmer humiliatingly drops policy left right and centre like a rabbit caught in a headlight.
Still its polls. We shall see what happens , but im not convinced yet we are heading for a labour victory.
Redfield & Wilton Strategies’ latest voting intention poll in Great Britain finds the Labour Party leading by 12%, five points less than in our previous poll released on Monday last week and tying their narrowest lead over the Conservatives since Rishi Sunak became Prime Minister.
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Post by wapentake on May 9, 2023 7:05:50 GMT
Would you be advocating a confirmatory referendum if we did? To late for a confirmatory ref, we would need to have a new ref. Priceless waffle,when leave won all the remainers demanded a confirmatory vote you ask the question and say it’s too late which translates as we only need a confirmatory vote when we lose. |
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Post by thomas on May 9, 2023 7:07:47 GMT
are you testing the water red? is starmers make brexit work mask slipping? I tell you red , starmer will set this country on fire like a fucking skip fire with his lies over brexit.
The dimwits in new labour never learn.
Not at all, the question comes from the fact that people are saying that the LibDems would require one for an 'agreement' I'm just wondering if the 'democratic' posters would oppose a democratic process. hang on . If starmer was man enough to stand on a commitment to another eu ref , or say if he wins the next general election , he will take the uk back into the eu ( or align us in some BRINO deal) then if he went o nto win , that would be that. Democracy in action.
He isnt doing that though. He is lying through his teeth , saying he will "make brexit work" , and then trying to rejoin by stealth , which to me , is complete madness.
However ridiculed the liberals are , they at least unlike that clown starmer have been consistent on europe. What starmer is doing , lying for votes , and then as we know will do the opposite to what he implies , isnt democracy. Its everything that is wrong with politics at westmisnter .
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 7:18:59 GMT
Not at all, the question comes from the fact that people are saying that the LibDems would require one for an 'agreement' I'm just wondering if the 'democratic' posters would oppose a democratic process. We had a democratic process which you were told was an end to it either way, but being like the establishment you are so thick skinned you never listened. So why do we have GEs every 4 years? |
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Post by thomas on May 9, 2023 7:26:20 GMT
We had a democratic process which you were told was an end to it either way, but being like the establishment you are so thick skinned you never listened. So why do we have GEs every 4 years? people like you who support starmers anti democratic red tories now talking about democracy as if everyone has forgotten labour and starmers antics post 2016 to 2019 and their refusal to back democracy is laughable.
It took 5 fucking votes for brexiters to first get a referendum , which labour opposed to much ridicule even from the liberals , and then win a referendum which labour attempted to deny , and further election vicotries before brexit was finally implemented.
You talk about GE every 4 years.....im surprised labour dont want re runs evertime they lose every four weeks.
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Post by thomas on May 9, 2023 7:33:11 GMT
Actually if Labour win I think they'll try to take us back into the EU without a referendum. They'll immediately agree to dynamic realignment with EU rules/laws/directives and that's virtually job done. Brexit completely neutered at a stroke. The snp certainly sense something in the wind .
'We'd need indyref2 and Brexit rollback': SNP lay out demands of Labour deal in hung parliament
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Post by thomas on May 9, 2023 7:36:33 GMT
Keir Starmer's Labour can't even beat the Tories outright despite the triple disasters of Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak – Angus Robertson
The Tories are in big trouble. Having lost over 1060 seats and 46 councils in the recent English local elections they look set to lose the next UK general election. But, on the basis of these results, no party is set for a majority in the House of Commons. Had the general election been held last week, no party would have taken overall control of the House, with Keir Starmer leading a limping Labour government that would be dependent on others, like the SNP.
It is easy to understand why Labour is not doing well enough. The party has capitulated to Brexiteers on our future in Europe and the disastrous approach to the economy. It has accepted and supported the Tory right wing’s impractical and unethical approach to immigration and asylum policy. Most recently, Labour has ditched its pledge to end university tuition fees and plans to keep Draconian policing powers against peaceful demonstrations.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 7:51:49 GMT
To late for a confirmatory ref, we would need to have a new ref. Priceless waffle,when leave won all the remainers demanded a confirmatory vote you ask the question and say it’s too late which translates as we only need a confirmatory vote when we lose. Not at all, a confirmatory ref would have been based on the deal the government had struck with the EU but that was a long time ago and quite a few PMs ago, things have changed since then. A new ref would be based on the benefits of having left the EU. No one can be stupid enough to see that the calls to re-join the EU are growing and to deny another ref is needed is against democratic process. |
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