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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 15:21:20 GMT
Interesting that no one has answered - "Anyway if we do have another referendum and re-join win why would you be upset?" are you testing the water red? is starmers make brexit work mask slipping? I tell you red , starmer will set this country on fire like a fucking skip fire with his lies over brexit.
The dimwits in new labour never learn.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 15:34:33 GMT
The latest polls show that the Tories have averaged 44.4% since 26 April, the Tories 28.3% and the poor bloody limp dicks 10.2%. In short, the combined Lib/Tory vote is about 6% less than that of the Labour party, which explains why Ed Davey has taken a job as a barman You need a proof reader, Borkie. I just keep seeing Jo Swinson, attractive lass, but she was our deluded "next Prime Minister", and lost her seat in the election. Poor woman. |
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 15:40:20 GMT
The latest polls show that the Tories have averaged 44.4% since 26 April, the Tories 28.3% and the poor bloody limp dicks 10.2%. In short, the combined Lib/Tory vote is about 6% less than that of the Labour party, which explains why Ed Davey has taken a job as a barman You need a proof reader, Borkie. I just keep seeing Jo Swinson, attractive lass, but she was our deluded "next Prime Minister", and lost her seat in the election. Poor woman. so do i to be fair ned.
She didnt lose her seat because of the english taking offence at her views , she lost her seat in east dunbartonshire because of her hypocrisy over second referendums. Im not sure she is attractive , but she was certainly deluded.
As are the starmer supporters on this forum.
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Post by vlk on May 8, 2023 16:34:12 GMT
If there was another referendum and Brexit won again do you think the remoaners would finally shut up?
Me neither.
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Post by wapentake on May 8, 2023 16:37:55 GMT
There will not be a coalition so why worry. Anyway if we do have another referendum and re-join win why would you be upset? Would you be advocating a confirmatory referendum if we did? |
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Post by Bentley on May 8, 2023 16:50:36 GMT
Suppose did have a second referendum and the majority voted to rejoin the EU .
If the ex leavers did everything that they could to ensure that the terms to rejoin were as unattractive as possible and succeeded would the ex remainers be upset?
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Post by sandypine on May 8, 2023 20:30:09 GMT
Interesting that no one has answered - "Anyway if we do have another referendum and re-join win why would you be upset?" I would be upset because there has been an ongoing and expensive campaign from 2016 that has the support of many 'people of influence' and the propaganda machine has been at full blast to bring about that change. We now see that we have a choice to vote for a choice of three parties with the same policies and now we see that when we voted for Brexit that what we actually voted for was EU or EU but a longer way round. You do not really approve of democracy do you as the whole point is to allow the electorate the choice to make decisions, not the choice to choose between two almost identical positions. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 20:53:06 GMT
What the Lib Dems may demand is pure speculation and not news insofar as I can tell because the link in the OP to the Telegraph is useless since almost all of it is behind a pay wall and I am not about to sign up.
Personally I very much doubt the Lib Dems will insist upon an EU referendum in the first instance. They are however far more likely to insist upon a referendum on PR, whilst leaving the EU til later. And that guess on my part is as good as the Telegraph's and probably better since not politically loaded.
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Post by wapentake on May 8, 2023 21:03:46 GMT
What the Lib Dems may demand is pure speculation and not news insofar as I can tell because the link in the OP to the Telegraph is useless since almost all of it is behind a pay wall and I am not about to sign up. Personally I very much doubt the Lib Dems will insist upon an EU referendum in the first instance. They are however far more likely to insist upon a referendum on PR, whilst leaving the EU til later. And that guess on my part is as good as the Telegraph's and probably better since not politically loaded. This might help www.lbc.co.uk/news/lib-dems-hint-coalition-labour-may-demand-brexit-rerun/ |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 21:15:32 GMT
What the Lib Dems may demand is pure speculation and not news insofar as I can tell because the link in the OP to the Telegraph is useless since almost all of it is behind a pay wall and I am not about to sign up. Personally I very much doubt the Lib Dems will insist upon an EU referendum in the first instance. They are however far more likely to insist upon a referendum on PR, whilst leaving the EU til later. And that guess on my part is as good as the Telegraph's and probably better since not politically loaded. This might help www.lbc.co.uk/news/lib-dems-hint-coalition-labour-may-demand-brexit-rerun/I see nothing there but pure speculation on what the Lib Dems might do. No public statements. No insider information even from anonymous sources. Just speculation masquerading as news. And as such no more valid than any of the speculations I myself or anyone else here has made. This is just a politically motivated non-story, designed to try and scare Tory supporters away from the Lib Dems. The wealthy elites are speaking. |
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Post by wapentake on May 8, 2023 21:22:51 GMT
I see nothing there but pure speculation on what the Lib Dems might do. No public statements. No insider information even from anonymous sources. Just speculation masquerading as news. And as such no more valid than any of the speculations I myself or anyone else here has made. This is just a politically motivated non-story, designed to try and scare Tory supporters away from the Lib Dems. The wealthy elites are speaking. Oh well you can but try,anyway from his own mouth this www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/07/lib-dem-ed-davey-calls-for-national-debate-over-uk-slavery-rolegiven this I wouldn’t put anything past them. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 8, 2023 21:25:30 GMT
What the Lib Dems may demand is pure speculation and not news insofar as I can tell because the link in the OP to the Telegraph is useless since almost all of it is behind a pay wall and I am not about to sign up.Personally I very much doubt the Lib Dems will insist upon an EU referendum in the first instance. They are however far more likely to insist upon a referendum on PR, whilst leaving the EU til later. And that guess on my part is as good as the Telegraph's and probably better since not politically loaded. Well here are the salient points:
Top of his wishlist will be electoral reform and finally achieving his party’s cherished dream of a switch to proportional representation.
“PR is absolutely on the table for the Liberal Democrats, of course it is,” he told the BBC when asked whether it would be one of his coalition demands.
“Our current system fails the voters, it doesn’t put the voters in control of politics, that’s wrong. I’m determined to try and make sure our democracy is fairer to people and more representative.”
Another area where the Liberal Democrat leader would press his claims - and here he may well find himself pushing at an open door - is on Brexit.
His party vociferously campaigned for a second referendum in the run-up to the 2019 election but notably has not called for one since.
Its position now is to forge closer ties with the EU, as Sir Keir has also promised, before rejoining the Single Market, which Labour has ruled out.
Longer term, the Lib Dems make clear in a What We Stand For section on their website that the eventual aim remains “ultimately, rejoining the EU”.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 21:40:45 GMT
What the Lib Dems may demand is pure speculation and not news insofar as I can tell because the link in the OP to the Telegraph is useless since almost all of it is behind a pay wall and I am not about to sign up.Personally I very much doubt the Lib Dems will insist upon an EU referendum in the first instance. They are however far more likely to insist upon a referendum on PR, whilst leaving the EU til later. And that guess on my part is as good as the Telegraph's and probably better since not politically loaded. Well here are the salient points:
Top of his wishlist will be electoral reform and finally achieving his party’s cherished dream of a switch to proportional representation.
“PR is absolutely on the table for the Liberal Democrats, of course it is,” he told the BBC when asked whether it would be one of his coalition demands.
“Our current system fails the voters, it doesn’t put the voters in control of politics, that’s wrong. I’m determined to try and make sure our democracy is fairer to people and more representative.”
Another area where the Liberal Democrat leader would press his claims - and here he may well find himself pushing at an open door - is on Brexit.
His party vociferously campaigned for a second referendum in the run-up to the 2019 election but notably has not called for one since.
Its position now is to forge closer ties with the EU, as Sir Keir has also promised, before rejoining the Single Market, which Labour has ruled out.
Longer term, the Lib Dems make clear in a What We Stand For section on their website that the eventual aim remains “ultimately, rejoining the EU”.
That is still just pure speculation, albeit informed by past positions. In other words just an educated guess. It may turn out to be right or it may not but an educated guess is all it is. Nothing more concrete than that. What it isn't is news. It is just speculation masquerading as news and designed to be politically influential. When Ed Davey or some other senior Lib Dem in the know actually states that in the event of a hung parliament they will insist upon an EU referendum as a condition, then it will be news. Until then it is simply a politically motivated guess, a scare story masquerading as news. It is no more or less valid than any of the guesses any of us on this forum might make. But then again I suppose the readers of right wing rags always have struggled to differentiate between solid news on the one hand, and non-news propaganda based on little but which they want to believe on the other |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 8, 2023 21:58:32 GMT
The Lib Dems (LOL) will need some upturn of fortunes to become relevant in any election . A Labour /SNP would seem a more likely coalition at this time Yes they will need a miracle. But did you not notice the rather large number of them who got seats Fishy Rishy (and if i’m being fair more the result of Hunt in No 11 who doesn’t give a shit how many starve or freeze) pissed up the wall last week Do you not see how the lib dems are the protest vote of choice for the tory supporter ? |
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Post by steppenwolf on May 9, 2023 6:28:09 GMT
Edit to add....39 lib dems? cant see it myself , but the way starmer is going you never know.
That's not going to happen. You can't use the local elections to predict the GE - and 75 for "Others" is just ridiculous. |
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