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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 7:54:21 GMT
So why do we have GEs every 4 years? people like you who support starmers anti democratic red tories now talking about democracy as if everyone has forgotten labour and starmers antics post 2016 to 2019 and their refusal to back democracy is laughable.
It took 5 fucking votes for brexiters to first get a referendum , which labour opposed to much ridicule even from the liberals , and then win a referendum which labour attempted to deny , and further election vicotries before brexit was finally implemented.
You talk about GE every 4 years.....im surprised labour dont want re runs evertime they lose every four weeks.
I do not support Starmer. It is within democratic process to oppose any actions that they consider likely to cause more harm than good in fact it is required. What happens every 4 weeks? |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 7:55:30 GMT
Keir Starmer's Labour can't even beat the Tories outright despite the triple disasters of Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak – Angus Robertson
The Tories are in big trouble. Having lost over 1060 seats and 46 councils in the recent English local elections they look set to lose the next UK general election. But, on the basis of these results, no party is set for a majority in the House of Commons. Had the general election been held last week, no party would have taken overall control of the House, with Keir Starmer leading a limping Labour government that would be dependent on others, like the SNP.
It is easy to understand why Labour is not doing well enough. The party has capitulated to Brexiteers on our future in Europe and the disastrous approach to the economy. It has accepted and supported the Tory right wing’s impractical and unethical approach to immigration and asylum policy. Most recently, Labour has ditched its pledge to end university tuition fees and plans to keep Draconian policing powers against peaceful demonstrations.
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Post by thomas on May 9, 2023 8:18:33 GMT
people like you who support starmers anti democratic red tories now talking about democracy as if everyone has forgotten labour and starmers antics post 2016 to 2019 and their refusal to back democracy is laughable.
It took 5 fucking votes for brexiters to first get a referendum , which labour opposed to much ridicule even from the liberals , and then win a referendum which labour attempted to deny , and further election vicotries before brexit was finally implemented.
You talk about GE every 4 years.....im surprised labour dont want re runs evertime they lose every four weeks.
I do not support Starmer. It is within democratic process to oppose any actions that they consider likely to cause more harm than good in fact it is required. What happens every 4 weeks? yes you do tacitly support starmer.
you dont hold a democratic referendum , then throw your toys out the pram the way starmer and labour did post 2016 and try and overturn that democratic referendum. You implement the result , then go again.
People wont forget starmer , and labours treachery , and their futile attempts to disrespect votes.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 9, 2023 8:19:42 GMT
That's not going to happen. You can't use the local elections to predict the GE - and 75 for "Others" is just ridiculous. heres the latest redfield and wilton poll tracker showing labour dropping from 37 point lead 5 months ago , to 12 points now.
Clearly all the pollsters , from redfield above , to gurus like sir john curtice and many more , are noticing the crash of labours soft polling lead , and increasingly talking of a hung parliament. Labour are meanwhile panicking , as starmer humiliatingly drops policy left right and centre like a rabbit caught in a headlight.
Still its polls. We shall see what happens , but im not convinced yet we are heading for a labour victory.
Redfield & Wilton Strategies’ latest voting intention poll in Great Britain finds the Labour Party leading by 12%, five points less than in our previous poll released on Monday last week and tying their narrowest lead over the Conservatives since Rishi Sunak became Prime Minister.
I was listening to Sir John Curtice on the radio on Sunday. He foresees three possible scenarios only in one would Labour win a majority. The other two would result in a hung parliament.
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Post by thomas on May 9, 2023 8:20:07 GMT
Keir Starmer's Labour can't even beat the Tories outright despite the triple disasters of Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak – Angus Robertson
The Tories are in big trouble. Having lost over 1060 seats and 46 councils in the recent English local elections they look set to lose the next UK general election. But, on the basis of these results, no party is set for a majority in the House of Commons. Had the general election been held last week, no party would have taken overall control of the House, with Keir Starmer leading a limping Labour government that would be dependent on others, like the SNP.
It is easy to understand why Labour is not doing well enough. The party has capitulated to Brexiteers on our future in Europe and the disastrous approach to the economy. It has accepted and supported the Tory right wing’s impractical and unethical approach to immigration and asylum policy. Most recently, Labour has ditched its pledge to end university tuition fees and plans to keep Draconian policing powers against peaceful demonstrations.
Oh dear I missed that GE.🤣 you can bleat all day long , but its fun watching labours soft lead implode as the voters dislike more and more of what they see in labour.
5 months of polls now showing the same direction of travel and labour party implosion , when they should be 20 points ahead as your former dear leader blair used to tell corbyn.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 9, 2023 8:23:21 GMT
The Tories have dropped 20 points but Labour are currently in the same position as they were under Corbyn in 2019. Starmer's getting nowhere, and he hasn't even announced his policies yet - and what's the betting they go down like a lead balloon.
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Post by thomas on May 9, 2023 8:24:26 GMT
heres the latest redfield and wilton poll tracker showing labour dropping from 37 point lead 5 months ago , to 12 points now.
Clearly all the pollsters , from redfield above , to gurus like sir john curtice and many more , are noticing the crash of labours soft polling lead , and increasingly talking of a hung parliament. Labour are meanwhile panicking , as starmer humiliatingly drops policy left right and centre like a rabbit caught in a headlight.
Still its polls. We shall see what happens , but im not convinced yet we are heading for a labour victory.
Redfield & Wilton Strategies’ latest voting intention poll in Great Britain finds the Labour Party leading by 12%, five points less than in our previous poll released on Monday last week and tying their narrowest lead over the Conservatives since Rishi Sunak became Prime Minister.
I was listening to Sir John Curtice on the radio on Sunday. He foresees three possible scenarios only in one would Labour win a majority. The other two would result in a hung parliament.
starmer is struggling theres no doubt about it. every pollster i can see is saying the labour soft lead is disintegrating from the high point of the truss debacle.
I see nandy has been sent out this morning to try and grab some headlines after a disasterous few days of tuition fee u turn , and refusing to reverse the protest bill.
Sir john curtice has long said since starmer became leader that starmer isnt popular , he isnt a blar and this isnt 1997. Time will tell , ut its not loking good for starmer. He would be better off going back to sitting on his hands and reigning in his attack dogs like nandy lammy and rayner , as they do far more harm than good.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 8:25:51 GMT
people like you who support starmers anti democratic red tories now talking about democracy as if everyone has forgotten labour and starmers antics post 2016 to 2019 and their refusal to back democracy is laughable.
It took 5 fucking votes for brexiters to first get a referendum , which labour opposed to much ridicule even from the liberals , and then win a referendum which labour attempted to deny , and further election vicotries before brexit was finally implemented.
You talk about GE every 4 years.....im surprised labour dont want re runs evertime they lose every four weeks.
I do not support Starmer. It is within democratic process to oppose any actions that they consider likely to cause more harm than good in fact it is required. What happens every 4 weeks? I used to hear dishonourable worms claim they didn't support Blair, but they still voted for him. |
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Post by thomas on May 9, 2023 8:26:46 GMT
The Tories have dropped 20 points but Labour are currently in the same position as they were under Corbyn in 2019. Starmer's getting nowhere, and he hasn't even announced his policies yet - and what's the betting they go down like a lead balloon. Thats what ive said. Starmer has done well in the past saying and doing nothing. As soon as he hints at policy annoucements , his support drops like a lead ballon. Its going to be hilarious watching him cobble together a manifesto , and see it ripped to shreds.
Even dimwitted see 2 tacitly admitted the tuition fee promise was reneged on becasue it wasnt costed. Imagine a whole manifesto of uncosted labour la la land promises put before a baying media and tory/snp politicians?  |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 8:28:32 GMT
I do not support Starmer. It is within democratic process to oppose any actions that they consider likely to cause more harm than good in fact it is required. What happens every 4 weeks? yes you do tacitly support starmer.
you dont hold a democratic referendum , then throw your toys out the pram the way starmer and labour did post 2016 and try and overturn that democratic referendum. You implement the result , then go again.
People wont forget starmer , and labours treachery , and their futile attempts to disrespect votes.
Yes, I agree I do support Starmer but only in the sense that he has got to be better than the Tories but I may be wrong. Labour did not try to overturn the ref they wanted a vote to confirm it, why is that so hard to understand. If you remember there was so much mis-information flying about from both sides that a confirmatory vote would have been sensible. You are using the language of hatred again when you call the opposition 'treacherous' that way leads to anarchy. How can you disrespect votes by calling for a vote? |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 9, 2023 8:30:09 GMT
There will not be a coalition so why worry. Anyway if we do have another referendum and re-join win why would you be upset? You do know that more countries are looking to leave the EU don't you?
Hungary
Austria
Czechia
Sweden
Italy
^^This is just the beginning, why the fuck would dumbo Starmer and gormless Davy even contemplate rejoining a crumbling Union?
These two are the biggest out-of-touch leaders of political parties in History, to call them idiots would be a injustice to idiots, they are two of the thickest fuckers walking the planet.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 8:30:48 GMT
I do not support Starmer. It is within democratic process to oppose any actions that they consider likely to cause more harm than good in fact it is required. What happens every 4 weeks? I used to hear dishonourable worms claim they didn't support Blair, but they still voted for him. I didn't support Blair and I did vote for him but on the understanding that he was better than a Tory government to which I have been proved right. |
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Post by thomas on May 9, 2023 8:34:20 GMT
yes you do tacitly support starmer.
you dont hold a democratic referendum , then throw your toys out the pram the way starmer and labour did post 2016 and try and overturn that democratic referendum. You implement the result , then go again.
People wont forget starmer , and labours treachery , and their futile attempts to disrespect votes.
Yes, I agree I do support Starmer but only in the sense that he has got to be better than the Tories but I may be wrong. Labour did not try to overturn the ref they wanted a vote to confirm it, why is that so hard to understand. If you remember there was so much mis-information flying about from both sides that a confirmatory vote would have been sensible. You are using the language of hatred again when you call the opposition 'treacherous' that way leads to anarchy. How can you disrespect votes by calling for a vote?
hence my word tacitly. Your political outlook is so old fashined , and there are other options than red or blue torie.
lies. Spin . Labour
1. didnt want the public to have a vote in the first place. much to uk wide ridicule.
2. starmer and labour spent years trying to overturn a demcoratic vote to leave the EU. So much so they tries to piss on 62 % of labours 2017 constituenices who voted brexit the year before with predictable consequences.
You dont claim to be a democratic party ( lmfao) one minute , then throw the table up in the air when you lose the game of cards the next. Thats treachery to democracy.A fitting descritpion of labour and starmer.
by not implementing the first vote , and asking for a second that is clearly disrespecting the first initial vote , and lead to the ridicule labour deserved.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 8:36:46 GMT
I used to hear dishonourable worms claim they didn't support Blair, but they still voted for him. I didn't support Blair and I did vote for him but on the understanding that he was better than a Tory government to which I have been proved right. The genuine Conservatives did the right thing and abstained, where you believe you can try and distance yourself from your crimes against humanity with slimey words.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 8:42:59 GMT
The Lib Dems (LOL) will need some upturn of fortunes to become relevant in any election . A Labour /SNP would seem a more likely coalition at this time Yes they will need a miracle. But did you not notice the rather large number of them who got seats Fishy Rishy (and if i’m being fair more the result of Hunt in No 11 who doesn’t give a shit how many starve or freeze) pissed up the wall last week Do you not see how the lib dems are the protest vote of choice for the tory supporter ? The fact that Labour only gained 500 of the more than 1000 seats the Tories lost whilst a minor party like the Lib Dems gained almost as many, all on an even lower turnout than usual suggests a number of things. One of them is that the extremely poor Tory performance is partly due to Tories not voting at all rather than actively voting for other parties, and there is the distinct likelihood that most of these will vote Tory in a general election. This of course means that the Labour lead, inadequate as it already is in terms of securing an absolute majority in a general election, is actually pretty soft and likely to shrink in a GE unless more people than at present are attracted to Labour by then. The level of support for the Lib Dems is also likely to have flattered them for similar reasons and due to Tory protest voters. Having said that, voting patterns do seem to have shown a larger degree of anti-Tory tactical voting than in recent years, and if this phenomenon is repeated in a General Election by anti-Tory voters, both Labour and the Lib Dems could profit from it. This would considerably boost the number of Lib Dem seats whilst increasing the number of Labour seats and increasing the chances of an overall Labour majority. The inherent paradox in this for the Lib Dems is that the greater the tactical voting the more seats they are likely to get but the less likely they are to wield real power because the chances are greater of the same phenomenon gifting Labour an absolute majority. The Lib Dems need to be winning seats where they are the main challengers to Labour to diminish the likelihood of a Labour majority whilst enhancing their own success. Although the possibility of this occurring was suggested by the results in some areas, there was little sign of it occurring in many other places. |
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