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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 11:41:13 GMT
prove its ill informed. ? You are making unsubstantiated claims, proof is your problem. did you miss my last link above your post? Or are we playing the ignore the evidence presented , and keep asking for more game? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 11:42:38 GMT
Blair inherited the best financcial situation of any political leader in modern history and governed in the sunshine of a global economic boom , and still managed to fuck things up. PFI debt , privatising the nhs , introducing tuition fees in scotland , trying to privatise scottish water etc etc .
The man was a disaster as hindsight shows. Labour were cheerleaders of lax banking regulation then ran off screaming when it all went tits up and blamed everyone else as ever.
We cant afford another new labour government.
Labour is going to look awfully silly without money. Still, if we had a party with an actual solution they'd either be destroyed by the media or voted out for being too tight. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 23, 2022 11:43:42 GMT
prove its ill informed. ? , proof is your problem. Far from it, the poster you are refering too has put up numerous links unlike those who oppose his views. Are they even capable of reading or do they think invisible ink was used? |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 23, 2022 11:44:53 GMT
You appear to be only guessing or perhaps you have picked up on misleading Tory propaganda from the press? ah the old tory propaganda schtick.
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Post by see2 on Oct 23, 2022 11:57:02 GMT
The original concept of introducing the Private sector into health care was if the Private sector could do it cheaper and of quality. Where the Private sector cannot meet these criteria, I would completely agree with you, scrap the Private contribution and take the work back into the NHS. No thank you. As we can see from wales where new labour have been in charge for 23 years over the welsh nhs , and ruined it , making it the worst performing nhs in the yookay , we dont want another labour party experiment in the nhs.
both the tory run english nhs and the snp run scottish nhs outperform labour in wales consistently .
Labour have run the Welsh Government ever since devolution 20 years ago – despite being proportionally elected, the current administration has 12 Labour ministers and deputies out of 14 – and without exception the Assembly in Cardiff has delivered worse (often spectacularly worse) results than its SNP-run counterpart since 2007.
The equivalent Welsh measure for operations cancelled for non-clinical reasons (what Scottish Labour describe as because “hospitals couldn’t cope”) is 75,000 in two years. That’s 37,500 a year, compared to the Scottish figure of 8,311.
And if we adjust those numbers pro-rata to account for Wales being a significantly smaller country than Scotland (with just 58% of the population), we get these figures:
NON-CLINICAL OPERATION CANCELLATIONS (per year)
Scotland: 8,311
Wales: 64,113
The Welsh figures under Labour are a breathtaking 771% worse than Scotland’s. We’re going to say that again in case you think it’s a typo:
Seven hundred and seventy-one percent.
There’s a reason the Scottish public don’t trust Labour to run their public services, even when they’re imperfect. And everyone except Scottish Labour knows what it is.
When NL took control in 1997, after 18 years of Conservative governments, they were met by NHS shortages and problems: A shortage of beds. A shortage of doctors etc. Huge waiting lists for hospital appointments. A huge list of patients waiting 12 months or more for non-urgent, but pain-relieving operations. The waiting list was so bad that NL sent many patients for operations, such as knee and hip replacements, in France, where there were no waiting lists. Prior to that Thatcher's contribution had been to encourage people to use the Private sector. Incidentally, the Welsh NHS is not part of the English NHS. |
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Post by piglet on Oct 23, 2022 12:02:32 GMT
The most important word in the english language is no. When was the last time a government, any government said no to anybody. ? To say no risks votes. To say yes gets votes. This is the flaw of democracy.
Saying no inflicts pain, but less pain than saying yes. Now we reap the whirlwind.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 12:06:12 GMT
Blair inherited the best financcial situation of any political leader in modern history and governed in the sunshine of a global economic boom , and still managed to fuck things up. PFI debt , privatising the nhs , introducing tuition fees in scotland , trying to privatise scottish water etc etc .
The man was a disaster as hindsight shows. Labour were cheerleaders of lax banking regulation then ran off screaming when it all went tits up and blamed everyone else as ever.
We cant afford another new labour government.
Labour is going to look awfully silly without money. Still, if we had a party with an actual solution they'd either be destroyed by the media or voted out for being too tight. labour in charge of the uk economy without spare cash is like asking a football manager to take over raith rovers and turn them into man city.
Dont forget labours last foray into the uk treasurey and the infamous note left telling the coalition that they had spent all the cash and theres none left.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 23, 2022 12:08:21 GMT
Labour is going to look awfully silly without money. Still, if we had a party with an actual solution they'd either be destroyed by the media or voted out for being too tight. labour in charge of the uk economy without spare cash is like asking a football manager to take over raith rovers and turn them into man city.
Dont forget labours last foray into the uk treasurey and the infamous note left telling the coalition that they had spent all the cash and theres none left.
Plus flogging off our gold well below the global value. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 12:10:20 GMT
No thank you. As we can see from wales where new labour have been in charge for 23 years over the welsh nhs , and ruined it , making it the worst performing nhs in the yookay , we dont want another labour party experiment in the nhs.
both the tory run english nhs and the snp run scottish nhs outperform labour in wales consistently .
Labour have run the Welsh Government ever since devolution 20 years ago – despite being proportionally elected, the current administration has 12 Labour ministers and deputies out of 14 – and without exception the Assembly in Cardiff has delivered worse (often spectacularly worse) results than its SNP-run counterpart since 2007.
The equivalent Welsh measure for operations cancelled for non-clinical reasons (what Scottish Labour describe as because “hospitals couldn’t cope”) is 75,000 in two years. That’s 37,500 a year, compared to the Scottish figure of 8,311.
And if we adjust those numbers pro-rata to account for Wales being a significantly smaller country than Scotland (with just 58% of the population), we get these figures:
NON-CLINICAL OPERATION CANCELLATIONS (per year)
Scotland: 8,311
Wales: 64,113
The Welsh figures under Labour are a breathtaking 771% worse than Scotland’s. We’re going to say that again in case you think it’s a typo:
Seven hundred and seventy-one percent.
There’s a reason the Scottish public don’t trust Labour to run their public services, even when they’re imperfect. And everyone except Scottish Labour knows what it is.
Incidentally, the Welsh NHS is not part of the English NHS. ..and its labour run and has been for twenty three years , which is th whole point of my post. You cant blame horrible tories , or snp , or corbyn for new labours failings for the majority of those 23 years in charge of wales nhs . |
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Post by Orac on Oct 23, 2022 12:10:50 GMT
For decades, it seems the only thing the UK government has consistently and doggedly said no to, is any policy substantially protecting the interests or values of the people of the United kingdom.
Indeed, Piglet - democracy has a substantial flaw that was outlined by thinkers many centuries ago. It's actually a parallel to the 'tragedy of the commons' dilemma
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 12:12:20 GMT
labour in charge of the uk economy without spare cash is like asking a football manager to take over raith rovers and turn them into man city.
Dont forget labours last foray into the uk treasurey and the infamous note left telling the coalition that they had spent all the cash and theres none left.
Plus flogging off our gold well below the global value. excellent. I mean , this is going to be a laugh dredging up all the new labour fiascos of the past twenty years come election time. No wonder my mate zany doesnt want to talk about the past.
New labour rely on the fptp two party stitch up , and voter amnesia while blaming the world problems on the tories.
I wouldnt piss on those cants if they were on fire.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 23, 2022 12:14:57 GMT
After years campaigning on here it has become clear to me that no one wants to raise tax. So we must accept a lower standard of living. I appreciate that's not possible for a small group of very low paid, only it is. We could accept increases in school class sizes, cuts in services the council/nhs/police etc offer. Many countries do not have anywhere near the level of service we have. Should we accept we are now a second world country. Thanks to net-zero and mass immigration, wealthy industrialised nations will become second or even third world countries, some people say certain areas of the UK already resemble third world countries. Progress? Ha. School class sizes have been increasing for years, Guardian readers gleefully say this is due to a baby boom while conveniently forgetting the majority of babies are now born to migrant mothers. I remember some years ago listening to a headteacher in Birmingham who said the kids at her junior/infant school speak 31 different languages, she said her teachers had devised a simple system of hand signals in order to communicate with the kids. ZG, that sounds pretty third world to me. Outraged lefties who demand we should stop burning fossil fuels and welcome illegals from the EU, or 'refugees' as they're euphemistically called, will ensure our standard of living goes down, it's inevitable. This will see a shift in power from the west to the east, in fact it's already happening. China can't build coal fired power stations fast enough to keep up with the demand in power they need to build us dickheads in the west all those wind turbines that are 30% efficient, when it's windy. I'm convinced future generations will look back to the early 20th century and say, they must have been mad, absolutely mad. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 23, 2022 12:20:20 GMT
Ukip or any other far right party will never get into power.
You can blame New labour has much has you want
Your just like a dog barking with no theeth
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Post by see2 on Oct 23, 2022 12:39:53 GMT
Incidentally, the Welsh NHS is not part of the English NHS. ..and its labour run and has been for twenty three years , which is th whole point of my post. You cant blame horrible tories , or snp , or corbyn for new labours failings for the majority of those 23 years in charge of wales nhs . You are pointing out an irrelevance ^. I don't know what complications exist in Welsh health, or in their Health System, do you? I do know some of the problems in the English health system which is why I am able to point out some of the dreadfulness of the ENGLISH NHS after 18 Years of CONSERVATIVE administration. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 23, 2022 12:42:35 GMT
You are making unsubstantiated claims, proof is your problem. Far from it, the poster you are refering too has put up numerous links unlike those who oppose his views. Are they even capable of reading or do they think invisible ink was used? The debate is between him and me. He has to have some evidence of his claims. |
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