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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 12:43:43 GMT
..and its labour run and has been for twenty three years , which is th whole point of my post. You cant blame horrible tories , or snp , or corbyn for new labours failings for the majority of those 23 years in charge of wales nhs . You are pointing out an irrelevance ^. That new labour have run wales nhs for the last 23 years and its the worst in the uk ? I think thats very relevant.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 12:45:52 GMT
Far from it, the poster you are refering too has put up numerous links unlike those who oppose his views. Are they even capable of reading or do they think invisible ink was used? The debate is between him and me. He has to have some evidence of his claims. so everyone is reading my links apart from you see 2? Maybe you should change your name to see no labour evil hear no labour evil.
Facts are chiels that winnae ding as burns said. Except when it comes to new labour , when facts must be cast aside so it doesnt upset the elysian fields of new labours la la land utopia.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 12:55:49 GMT
Far from it, the poster you are refering too has put up numerous links unlike those who oppose his views. Are they even capable of reading or do they think invisible ink was used? The debate is between him and me. He has to have some evidence of his claims. and another link.....
Particularly alert readers may recall this excellent documentary from 2017, exposing how New Labour’s PFI scandal has cost the Scottish taxpayer countless billions of pounds and crippled local government for decades with its extortionate financial legacy, as illustrated by the case of North Ayrshire.
Well, now there’s another one of it.
The title is self-explanatory, and it’s worth half an hour of your time.
Meanwhile it was wasting eye-watering sums of money on murderously expensive PFI projects that could have been paid for at a fraction of the cost by using just a small slice of the cash. Because if there’s one thing we can see that Labour loves doing in power, it’s initiating grandiose projects and kicking the cost down the road for future generations to pay when Labour are long gone.)
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 23, 2022 12:57:15 GMT
Ukip or any other far right party will never get into power. You can blame New labour has much has you want Your just like a dog barking with no theeth UKIP ' far right'! LOL, you always were good for a chuckle TTL  |
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Post by see2 on Oct 23, 2022 12:59:00 GMT
labour in charge of the uk economy without spare cash is like asking a football manager to take over raith rovers and turn them into man city.
Dont forget labours last foray into the uk treasurey and the infamous note left telling the coalition that they had spent all the cash and theres none left.
Plus flogging off our gold well below the global value. NL did not flog off all our gold. The proceeds were used in a number of ways: Part of the proceeds were used to buy currency reserves at a time when currencies were boss, Dollar, Yen and one other, which were then placed in the reserves with the remainder of the gold. The currencies then earned interest where gold did not. Some of the proceeds were used to reduce the National Debt, thus reducing the ongoing interest paid on that debt. It wasn't Brown's finest moment, but it wasn't quite as disastrous as his enemies made it out to be. Incidentally the value of gold is declining. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 13:01:08 GMT
Ukip or any other far right party will never get into power. You can blame New labour has much has you want Your just like a dog barking with no theeth UKIP ' far right'! LOL, you always were good for a chuckle TTL i would argue rachel reeve and keir starmer are further to the right than boris johnson. Labour supporters screaming about the far right when the right are i ncharge of their own party , and the left no where to be seen always makes me chuckle.
such is the craziness of uk politics today , you have centrist pro europeans like zany telling us he voted brexit supporting tories to keep a socialist out of power when corbyn was in charge on labour.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 13:03:10 GMT
Plus flogging off our gold well below the global value. NL did not flog off all our gold. The proceeds were used in a number of ways: Part of the proceeds were used to buy currency reserves at a time when currencies were boss, Dollar, Yen and one other, which were then placed in the reserves with the remainder of the gold. The currencies then earned interest where gold did not. Some of the proceeds were used to reduce the National Debt, thus reducing the ongoing interest paid on that debt. It wasn't Brown's finest moment, but it wasn't quite as disastrous as his enemies made it out to be. Incidentally the value of gold is declining. and another link for my short sighted new labour friend.....
Worst deal in UK history? 20 years since Brown sold Britain’s gold
Dubbed ‘Brown’s Bottom’, the sale of half of the UK’s gold reserves between 1999 and 2002 by then-Chancellor Gordon Brown is considered a particular low point in British history.
Today marks the 20th anniversary of this event, so we revisit Gordon Brown’s mistakes; how a cautious Chancellor let down his guard and undersold more than half of Britain’s gold reserves.
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Post by see2 on Oct 23, 2022 13:03:33 GMT
You are pointing out an irrelevance ^. That new labour have run wales nhs for the last 23 years and its the worst in the uk ? I think thats very relevant.
It is extremely relevant to the Welsh. I don't have enough knowledge of the health problems in Wales so I can't make an informed comment on it. I suspect you are in the same position but choose to make an insinuating comment on it anyway. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 13:05:29 GMT
Plus flogging off our gold well below the global value. NL did not flog off all our gold. The proceeds were used in a number of ways: Part of the proceeds were used to buy currency reserves at a time when currencies were boss, Dollar, Yen and one other, which were then placed in the reserves with the remainder of the gold. The currencies then earned interest where gold did not. Some of the proceeds were used to reduce the National Debt, thus reducing the ongoing interest paid on that debt. It wasn't Brown's finest moment, but it wasn't quite as disastrous as his enemies made it out to be. Incidentally the value of gold is declining. Fool's gold for Brown? Criticism mounts over sale of precious metal
With the price up 250%, many are questioning his decision as chancellor
Disaster
Philip Hammond, shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, said: "Gordon Brown's sale of our gold reserves at the bottom of the market was an unmitigated disaster. This spectacular display of economic incompetence has left taxpayers nursing an estimated loss of nearly £4bn. "If the prime minister can't be trusted to manage our gold reserves, how can we trust him to run a British bank?" he asked.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 13:06:29 GMT
That new labour have run wales nhs for the last 23 years and its the worst in the uk ? I think thats very relevant.
It is extremely relevant to the Welsh. and us in both scotland and england. Wales shows new labour cant be trusted with either of our nhs services , never mind their past hisotry in charge of either service. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 13:09:13 GMT
That new labour have run wales nhs for the last 23 years and its the worst in the uk ? I think thats very relevant.
I suspect you are in the same position but choose to make an insinuating comment on it anyway. dont shoot the messengr mate. im just reporting what my welsh friends and thier media tell me.
The Welsh figures under Labour are a breathtaking 771% worse than Scotland’s. We’re going to say that again in case you think it’s a typo:
Seven hundred and seventy-one percent.
There’s a reason the Scottish public don’t trust Labour to run their public services, even when they’re imperfect. And everyone except Scottish Labour knows what it is.
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Post by see2 on Oct 23, 2022 13:18:54 GMT
NL did not flog off all our gold. The proceeds were used in a number of ways: Part of the proceeds were used to buy currency reserves at a time when currencies were boss, Dollar, Yen and one other, which were then placed in the reserves with the remainder of the gold. The currencies then earned interest where gold did not. Some of the proceeds were used to reduce the National Debt, thus reducing the ongoing interest paid on that debt. It wasn't Brown's finest moment, but it wasn't quite as disastrous as his enemies made it out to be. Incidentally the value of gold is declining. and another link for my short sighted new labour friend.....
Worst deal in UK history? 20 years since Brown sold Britain’s gold
Dubbed ‘Brown’s Bottom’, the sale of half of the UK’s gold reserves between 1999 and 2002 by then-Chancellor Gordon Brown is considered a particular low point in British history.
Today marks the 20th anniversary of this event, so we revisit Gordon Brown’s mistakes; how a cautious Chancellor let down his guard and undersold more than half of Britain’s gold reserves.
I'm aware of the problems caused, I did post 'it wasn't Brown's finest moment'. But the article you posted took a Gold only approach, it didn't mention the ongoing benefits from the way the proceeds were used. Which were the point of my post. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 13:22:36 GMT
and another link for my short sighted new labour friend.....
Worst deal in UK history? 20 years since Brown sold Britain’s gold
Dubbed ‘Brown’s Bottom’, the sale of half of the UK’s gold reserves between 1999 and 2002 by then-Chancellor Gordon Brown is considered a particular low point in British history.
Today marks the 20th anniversary of this event, so we revisit Gordon Brown’s mistakes; how a cautious Chancellor let down his guard and undersold more than half of Britain’s gold reserves.
I'm aware of the problems caused, I did post 'it wasn't Brown's finest moment'. glad you acknowledge it as yet another new labour historical disaster the people of the uk had to suffer. we can mark it down against thier name , record it for posterity and keep it waiting in the wings for the next general election.
I tell you my short sighted friend , i havent had this much fun in years talking about new labours disasterous record. The joy these incompetents bring me is immeasurable.
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Post by see2 on Oct 23, 2022 13:24:52 GMT
I suspect you are in the same position but choose to make an insinuating comment on it anyway. dont shoot the messengr mate. im just reporting what my welsh friends and thier media tell me.
The Welsh figures under Labour are a breathtaking 771% worse than Scotland’s. We’re going to say that again in case you think it’s a typo:
Seven hundred and seventy-one percent.
There’s a reason the Scottish public don’t trust Labour to run their public services, even when they’re imperfect. And everyone except Scottish Labour knows what it is.
You clearly have an interest, but as it has sweet FA to do with the English NHS, I have no interest in it whatsoever. Just as you have no interest in the mess the Tories left the English NHS in after 18 years of Conservative maladministration. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 23, 2022 13:25:00 GMT
The welsh population is older than the English population thats one reason reason the welsh NHS Is Struggling.
How can you compare a population of 51 million to a population of 3 million.
Has for the welsh NHS it has more Nurses and Beds compared to the English NHS
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