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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 10:59:39 GMT
New labour certainly do. They failed the poor when last in power , and the gap between the haves and have nots widened to an extent not seen in modern political history .
They helped destroy social housing across the uk , and built less housing in general than Thatcher and major , and created the hosuing bubble many youngsters are struggling with today , while at the same time flooding the uk with mass immigration which further increased the problems. Accusations are easy, how about some proof of your claims ? How many more links do you want? |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 23, 2022 11:04:29 GMT
I tend to agree with Thomas - if New Labour had not massively increased immigration (with all the subsequent problems that brought) then I doubt that UKIP would have gained as much traction as they did. I agree they openly encouraged mass immigration into the UK and revelled in it |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 11:05:49 GMT
Thomas you keep referring to Scotland are you Scottish if so Brexit vote got a tanking in Scotland aye im scottish. Havent you seen repeatedly where i talk about uk level , where the english electorate make up the majority and hence why scotland was dragged out?
Its not scottish voters you need to convice for remain ,. but your own countrymen whose constituencies make up 82 % of the commons , and who as far as i can see dont want to rejoin. That new labours problem and the fact scottish remainers dont support them either.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 11:10:02 GMT
I tend to agree with Thomas - if New Labour had not massively increased immigration (with all the subsequent problems that brought) then I doubt that UKIP would have gained as much traction as they did. A point that cant be overstated pacifico.
New labour pissed off the english and scottish electorate for many and varying reasons , and in both our countries empowered the rise of parties outside the big two.The last thing any of us need or want is a return to some imaginary new labour utopia .
While the vast majority of EU countires kept their doors shut to eastern european immigration in the initial enlargement , tony thought it was a good idea to not only flood the uk with migrants casuing all sorts of issues , but totally misjudge the numbers and make themselves look a laughing stock.
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Post by see2 on Oct 23, 2022 11:14:05 GMT
I tend to agree with Thomas - if New Labour had not massively increased immigration (with all the subsequent problems that brought) then I doubt that UKIP would have gained as much traction as they did. Not forgetting misleading propaganda eh Some interesting statistics on Migration. Incidentally, NL's claim that UK immigration was based on the needs of an expanding economy is proven to be true because prior to the international meltdown NL had driven unemployment down below 2million for the first time since 1982. www.macrotrends.net/countries/FRA/france/immigration-statisticsPluss country by country immigration. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 23, 2022 11:15:31 GMT
Accusations are easy, how about some proof of your claims ? How many more links do you want? Just a couple examples from you as an indication that you might know what you are posting about. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 11:16:34 GMT
Please don't fill this thread with the same old diatribe. Especially as I opened it by STATING CLEARLY no one wants tax rises. Yet on this thread you tell us you fully expected tax rises?
I tell you zany , you will run with the hares and chase with the hounds to make any puerile attempt at a political point wont you?
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 11:17:27 GMT
How many more links do you want? Just a couple examples from you as an indication that you might know what you are posting about. see my previous posts and many links. |
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Post by borchester on Oct 23, 2022 11:20:14 GMT
After years campaigning on here it has become clear to me that no one wants to raise tax. So we must accept a lower standard of living. I appreciate that's not possible for a small group of very low paid, only it is. We could accept increases in school class sizes, cuts in services the council/nhs/police etc offer. Many countries do not have anywhere near the level of service we have. Should we accept we are now a second world country. Any party coming into a westmisnter general election on the mantra of tax increases with all the current and past waste of governance is of course commiting political suicide.
If you are the vanguard of keir starmer and new labour sounding out the plebs , then i hope to fuck new labour do indeed stand on tax rises. The labour party are of course the most profligate spenders and waster of taxpayer cash in uk political history.
I wouldnt trust keir starmer with the kids piggy bank , never mind cleaning up vital public services. Throwing taxpayers cash at problems is always labours way .We are still paying for blair and browns profligacy and wastefullness 12 years after they last held power.
We should accept the uk , certainly scotland anyway but england too i suspect , cannot afford another labour government.
Bloody right Tommy.
All this half a cup of gruel a week when there is a Z in the month is all very well for sad bastards who really, really enjoy being miserable, but I expect my standard of living, along with that of the country, to get better and better.
I have got to do some business so I won't be able to explain until this evening.
And where is Pappy, our little ray of Cornish sunshine?
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 11:25:28 GMT
Any party coming into a westmisnter general election on the mantra of tax increases with all the current and past waste of governance is of course commiting political suicide.
If you are the vanguard of keir starmer and new labour sounding out the plebs , then i hope to fuck new labour do indeed stand on tax rises. The labour party are of course the most profligate spenders and waster of taxpayer cash in uk political history.
I wouldnt trust keir starmer with the kids piggy bank , never mind cleaning up vital public services. Throwing taxpayers cash at problems is always labours way .We are still paying for blair and browns profligacy and wastefullness 12 years after they last held power.
We should accept the uk , certainly scotland anyway but england too i suspect , cannot afford another labour government.
Bloody right Tommy.
All this half a cup of gruel a week when there is a Z in the month is all very well for sad bastards who really, really enjoy being miserable, but I expect my standard of living, along with that of the country, to get better and better.
I have got to do some business so I won't be able to explain until this evening.
And where is Pappy, our little ray of Cornish sunshine?
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They say there is nothing more certain in life than death or taxes ,so if i am forced to pay taxes , i want it paid into the hands of someone who either knows how to best use my hard earned cash , or at the least wont waste it too much.
The idea keir starmer and muppets like rachel reeve could be trusted with taxpayers cash is fantasy stuff from the land of zany delusion.
no sure borkie , but hopefully he will join as well .Most of the old team except the mods and significant nick have , so why not pappy and the socialist workers of cornwall.?
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Post by see2 on Oct 23, 2022 11:30:00 GMT
Talking about the NHS I would like to see all NHS care for private medical care patients stopped The original concept of introducing the Private sector into health care was if the Private sector could do it cheaper and of quality. Where the Private sector cannot meet these criteria, I would completely agree with you, scrap the Private contribution and take the work back into the NHS. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 23, 2022 11:32:31 GMT
Just a couple examples from you as an indication that you might know what you are posting about. see my previous posts and many links. You appear to be only guessing or perhaps you have picked up on misleading Tory propaganda from the press? |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 11:36:55 GMT
Talking about the NHS I would like to see all NHS care for private medical care patients stopped The original concept of introducing the Private sector into health care was if the Private sector could do it cheaper and of quality. Where the Private sector cannot meet these criteria, I would completely agree with you, scrap the Private contribution and take the work back into the NHS. No thank you. As we can see from wales where new labour have been in charge for 23 years over the welsh nhs , and ruined it , making it the worst performing nhs in the yookay , we dont want another labour party experiment in the nhs.
both the tory run english nhs and the snp run scottish nhs outperform labour in wales consistently .
Labour have run the Welsh Government ever since devolution 20 years ago – despite being proportionally elected, the current administration has 12 Labour ministers and deputies out of 14 – and without exception the Assembly in Cardiff has delivered worse (often spectacularly worse) results than its SNP-run counterpart since 2007.
The equivalent Welsh measure for operations cancelled for non-clinical reasons (what Scottish Labour describe as because “hospitals couldn’t cope”) is 75,000 in two years. That’s 37,500 a year, compared to the Scottish figure of 8,311.
And if we adjust those numbers pro-rata to account for Wales being a significantly smaller country than Scotland (with just 58% of the population), we get these figures:
NON-CLINICAL OPERATION CANCELLATIONS (per year)
Scotland: 8,311
Wales: 64,113
The Welsh figures under Labour are a breathtaking 771% worse than Scotland’s. We’re going to say that again in case you think it’s a typo:
Seven hundred and seventy-one percent.
There’s a reason the Scottish public don’t trust Labour to run their public services, even when they’re imperfect. And everyone except Scottish Labour knows what it is.
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Post by see2 on Oct 23, 2022 11:40:00 GMT
I suspect it gives great relief to many posters to vent their ill-informed biased political beliefs ^^^. prove its ill informed. ? You are making unsubstantiated claims, proof is your problem. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 11:40:29 GMT
see my previous posts and many links. You appear to be only guessing or perhaps you have picked up on misleading Tory propaganda from the press? ah the old tory propaganda schtick.
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