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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 23, 2022 10:11:11 GMT
Thomas if any of that was true what has the torys done to rectified the situation after the 12yrs in Government
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 10:16:08 GMT
Thomas if any of that was true what has the torys done to rectified the situation after the 12yrs in Government Im not a tory voter so why ask me?
Im adressing this myth that new labour under starmer are somehow the answer to the uk problems , when new labour are a clear part of the problem. Looking at their track record , we see tony blair and his henchmens hands beihnd many of the current problems of the uk today.
Tony blair single handedly handed nigel farage and ukip all the ammuniton they needed to drum up brexit support. The tories arent going to rectify any new labour problems as new labour are tories with a small c .
Having two parties with a fag papers width between them in policy except brexit of course is never good for democracy and shows why the uk is in the mess it is today.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 23, 2022 10:20:28 GMT
Ha ha what policy do political party like ukip have except cut immigration.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 10:24:46 GMT
Ha ha what policy do political party like ukip have except cut immigration. you arent picking up my point. Tony blair lost millions of labour voters , won elections on the lowest post war turnout in history , was extremely pro european and flooded the uk correctly or not with mass immigration which drove many voters towards ukip and brexit.
quality article here that never ages....
Why Labour are to blame for UKIP
This shouldn’t take long. Since 1997, and particularly since 2001, what passes for the political ideology of the Labour Party in Britain could be accurately summed up in one short phrase: be the smallest possible single step to the left of the Tories.
Protected by the grossly undemocratic First Past The Post electoral system – which discriminates massively against third parties and ensures that Labour or the Tories can secure huge, unassailable majorities on barely more than a third of the vote – Tony Blair’s brilliant, ruinous flash of political inspiration was the willingness to fully grasp the implication of that fact: that Labour could effectively all but become the Tories and still capture the left-wing vote, because that vote had nowhere else to go.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 23, 2022 10:32:23 GMT
Thomas you keep referring to Scotland are you Scottish if so Brexit vote got a tanking in Scotland
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 23, 2022 10:33:40 GMT
I tend to agree with Thomas - if New Labour had not massively increased immigration (with all the subsequent problems that brought) then I doubt that UKIP would have gained as much traction as they did.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 23, 2022 10:41:16 GMT
I tend to aggenerate Thomas - if New Labour had not massively increased immigration (with all the subsequent problems that brought) then I doubt that UKIP would have gained as much traction as they did. Yea and how did that relate in the votes i think even the BNP generated more votes then ukip during there time . And how has Iimmigration decrease since the exit vote |
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Post by see2 on Oct 23, 2022 10:42:30 GMT
After years campaigning on here it has become clear to me that no one wants to raise tax. So we must accept a lower standard of living. I appreciate that's not possible for a small group of very low paid, only it is. We could accept increases in school class sizes, cuts in services the council/nhs/police etc offer. Many countries do not have anywhere near the level of service we have. Should we accept we are now a second world country. Any party coming into a westmisnter general election on the mantra of tax increases with all the current and past waste of governance is of course commiting political suicide.
If you are the vanguard of keir starmer and new labour sounding out the plebs , then i hope to fuck new labour do indeed stand on tax rises. The labour party are of course the most profligate spenders and waster of taxpayer cash in uk political history.
I wouldnt trust keir starmer with the kids piggy bank , never mind cleaning up vital public services. Throwing taxpayers cash at problems is always labours way .We are still paying for blair and browns profligacy and wastefullness 12 years after they last held power.
We should accept the uk , certainly scotland anyway but england too i suspect , cannot afford another labour government.
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Post by see2 on Oct 23, 2022 10:49:44 GMT
Blair inherited the best financcial situation of any political leader in modern history and governed in the sunshine of a global economic boom , and still managed to fuck things up. PFI debt , privatising the nhs , introducing tuition fees in scotland , trying to privatise scottish water etc etc .
The man was a disaster as hindsight shows. Labour were cheerleaders of lax banking regulation then ran off screaming when it all went tits up and blamed everyone else as ever.
We cant afford another new labour government.
Thanks. With all the rain this morning and the economic situation, I needed someone to post some nonsense to give me a chuckle  |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 23, 2022 10:50:24 GMT
I tend to aggenerate Thomas - if New Labour had not massively increased immigration (with all the subsequent problems that brought) then I doubt that UKIP would have gained as much traction as they did. Yea and how did that relate in the votes i think even the BNP generated more votes then ukip during there time . And how has Iimmigration decrease since the exit vote Not sure where you are getting the idea that the BNP were more electorally successful than UKIP - in the 2014 European elections UKIP came first. I dont recall the BNP winning anything. Immigration has certainly not decreased - but that is after the event. Labour throwing open the doors to unlimited immigration certainly kick started the UKIP bandwagon which ended up with the Brexit Referendum and UKIP's success. What happened after the referendum is irrelevant because UKIP lost their whole raison d'être. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 23, 2022 10:51:55 GMT
Society has a history of ignoring the poor, never with good outcomes. . New labour certainly do. They failed the poor when last in power , and the gap between the haves and have nots widened to an extent not seen in modern political history .
They helped destroy social housing across the uk , and built less housing in general than Thatcher and major , and created the hosuing bubble many youngsters are struggling with today , while at the same time flooding the uk with mass immigration which further increased the problems. Accusations are easy, how about some proof of your claims ? |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 10:57:09 GMT
Any party coming into a westmisnter general election on the mantra of tax increases with all the current and past waste of governance is of course commiting political suicide.
If you are the vanguard of keir starmer and new labour sounding out the plebs , then i hope to fuck new labour do indeed stand on tax rises. The labour party are of course the most profligate spenders and waster of taxpayer cash in uk political history.
I wouldnt trust keir starmer with the kids piggy bank , never mind cleaning up vital public services. Throwing taxpayers cash at problems is always labours way .We are still paying for blair and browns profligacy and wastefullness 12 years after they last held power.
We should accept the uk , certainly scotland anyway but england too i suspect , cannot afford another labour government.
I suspect it gives great relief to many posters to vent their ill-informed biased political beliefs ^^^. prove its ill informed. ? |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 23, 2022 10:57:46 GMT
Talking about the NHS I would like to see all NHS care for private medical care patients stopped Privatisation and the nhs go hand in hand under new labour. It was starmers lot who privatised the first nhs hospital in england. Wales has consistently had the worst nhs in the uk under 23 years of new labour rule.
They bankrupted glasgow city council after 80 years in charge , denied woman council employees equal wages , and left a pfi millstone around scottish taxpayers necks of tens of billions which drain our resources day by day , week by week.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 10:58:08 GMT
Blair inherited the best financcial situation of any political leader in modern history and governed in the sunshine of a global economic boom , and still managed to fuck things up. PFI debt , privatising the nhs , introducing tuition fees in scotland , trying to privatise scottish water etc etc .
The man was a disaster as hindsight shows. Labour were cheerleaders of lax banking regulation then ran off screaming when it all went tits up and blamed everyone else as ever.
We cant afford another new labour government.
Thanks. With all the rain this morning and the economic situation, I needed someone to post some nonsense to give me a chuckle i think you should put your specs on see 2. Can you see me mate , and what im posting? You certainly cant understand it can you? |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 10:59:09 GMT
Privatisation and the nhs go hand in hand under new labour. It was starmers lot who privatised the first nhs hospital in england. Wales has consistently had the worst nhs in the uk under 23 years of new labour rule.
They bankrupted glasgow city council after 80 years in charge , denied woman council employees equal wages , and left a pfi millstone around scottish taxpayers necks of tens of billions which drain our resources day by day , week by week.
Could you try and live in the present for a bit. No.
Labours past record is fair game for scrutiny. We dont want to see a repeat of blairs legacy we are still paying the price for under starmer now do we?
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