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Post by zanygame on Oct 23, 2022 9:08:42 GMT
After years campaigning on here it has become clear to me that no one wants to raise tax. So we must accept a lower standard of living.
I appreciate that's not possible for a small group of very low paid, only it is.
We could accept increases in school class sizes, cuts in services the council/nhs/police etc offer.
Many countries do not have anywhere near the level of service we have.
Should we accept we are now a second world country.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 9:19:41 GMT
After years campaigning on here it has become clear to me that no one wants to raise tax. So we must accept a lower standard of living. I appreciate that's not possible for a small group of very low paid, only it is. We could accept increases in school class sizes, cuts in services the council/nhs/police etc offer. Many countries do not have anywhere near the level of service we have. Should we accept we are now a second world country. Any party coming into a westmisnter general election on the mantra of tax increases with all the current and past waste of governance is of course commiting political suicide.
If you are the vanguard of keir starmer and new labour sounding out the plebs , then i hope to fuck new labour do indeed stand on tax rises. The labour party are of course the most profligate spenders and waster of taxpayer cash in uk political history.
I wouldnt trust keir starmer with the kids piggy bank , never mind cleaning up vital public services. Throwing taxpayers cash at problems is always labours way .We are still paying for blair and browns profligacy and wastefullness 12 years after they last held power.
We should accept the uk , certainly scotland anyway but england too i suspect , cannot afford another labour government.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 23, 2022 9:27:50 GMT
After years campaigning on here it has become clear to me that no one wants to raise tax. So we must accept a lower standard of living... The only people who need to accept a lower standard of living are those dependent on public services. As I asked in another thread: Are we too dependent as a society? And I think that we are. And, as I said then, we will never raise enough tax to deliver the services that some claim to want. Personally, I'd like to see a smaller state, doing less. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 23, 2022 9:32:40 GMT
After years campaigning on here it has become clear to me that no one wants to raise tax. So we must accept the biggestandard of living. I appreciate that's not possible for a small group of very low paid, only it is. We could accept increases in school class sizes, cuts in services the council/nhs/police etc offer. Many countries do not have anywhere near the level of service we have. Should we accept we are now a second world country. Any party coming into a westmisnter general election on the mantra of tax increases with all the current and past waste of governance is of course commiting political suicide.
If you are the vanguard of keir starmer and new labour sounding out the plebs , then i hope to fuck new labour do indeed stand on tax rises. The labour party are of course the most profligate spenders and waster of taxpayer cash in uk political history.
I wouldnt trust keir starmer with the kids piggy bank , never mind cleaning up vital public services. Throwing taxpayers cash at problems is always labours way .We are still paying for blair and browns profligacy and wastefullness 12 years after they last held power.
We should accept the uk , certainly scotland anyway but england too i suspect , cannot afford another labour government.
what a load of codswolop the Torys are histolicallie known to be the biggest borrowers of money
The economy was fine and healthy under Blair Government it was the world crisis brought on by the Banker's what lead to the economy collapse |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 23, 2022 9:40:46 GMT
After years campaigning on here it has become clear to me that no one wants to raise tax. So we must accept a lower standard of living... The only people who need to accept a lower standard of living are those dependent on public services. As I asked in another thread: Are we too dependent as a society? And I think that we are. And, as I said then, we will never raise enough tax to deliver the services that some claim to want. Personally, I'd like to see a smaller state, doing less. Yes, this is what I am suggesting. I do have concerns that continuing automation will mean an ever larger number will as you say. "need to accept a lower standard of living are those dependent on public services." Society has a history of ignoring the poor, never with good outcomes. Still, maybe we are happy to have another go at it. I would be interested in seeing real things people would be happy to see cut. And I don't mean the teany tiny things that usually get trotted out. So please add numbers to your suggestions. Can I start with the suggestion we stop all NHS treatment for the over 85's. That would save £19Bn a year. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 9:42:45 GMT
Any party coming into a westmisnter general election on the mantra of tax increases with all the current and past waste of governance is of course commiting political suicide.
If you are the vanguard of keir starmer and new labour sounding out the plebs , then i hope to fuck new labour do indeed stand on tax rises. The labour party are of course the most profligate spenders and waster of taxpayer cash in uk political history.
I wouldnt trust keir starmer with the kids piggy bank , never mind cleaning up vital public services. Throwing taxpayers cash at problems is always labours way .We are still paying for blair and browns profligacy and wastefullness 12 years after they last held power.
We should accept the uk , certainly scotland anyway but england too i suspect , cannot afford another labour government.
what a load of codswolop the Torys are histolicallie known to be the biggest borrowers of money
The economy was fine and healthy under Blair Government it was the world crisis brought on by the Banker's what lead to the economy collapse Blair inherited the best financcial situation of any political leader in modern history and governed in the sunshine of a global economic boom , and still managed to fuck things up. PFI debt , privatising the nhs , introducing tuition fees in scotland , trying to privatise scottish water etc etc .
The man was a disaster as hindsight shows. Labour were cheerleaders of lax banking regulation then ran off screaming when it all went tits up and blamed everyone else as ever.
We cant afford another new labour government.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 23, 2022 9:42:50 GMT
Any party coming into a westmisnter general election on the mantra of tax increases with all the current and past waste of governance is of course commiting political suicide.
If you are the vanguard of keir starmer and new labour sounding out the plebs , then i hope to fuck new labour do indeed stand on tax rises. The labour party are of course the most profligate spenders and waster of taxpayer cash in uk political history.
I wouldnt trust keir starmer with the kids piggy bank , never mind cleaning up vital public services. Throwing taxpayers cash at problems is always labours way .We are still paying for blair and browns profligacy and wastefullness 12 years after they last held power.
We should accept the uk , certainly scotland anyway but england too i suspect , cannot afford another labour government.
what a load of codswolop the Torys are histolicallie known to be the biggest borrowers of money
The economy was fine and healthy under Blair Government it was the world crisis brought on by the Banker's what lead to the economy collapse Please don't fill this thread with the same old diatribe. Especially as I opened it by STATING CLEARLY no one wants tax rises. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 9:46:41 GMT
The only people who need to accept a lower standard of living are those dependent on public services. As I asked in another thread: Are we too dependent as a society? And I think that we are. And, as I said then, we will never raise enough tax to deliver the services that some claim to want. Personally, I'd like to see a smaller state, doing less. Society has a history of ignoring the poor, never with good outcomes. . New labour certainly do. They failed the poor when last in power , and the gap between the haves and have nots widened to an extent not seen in modern political history .
They helped destroy social housing across the uk , and built less housing in general than Thatcher and major , and created the hosuing bubble many youngsters are struggling with today , while at the same time flooding the uk with mass immigration which further increased the problems. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 9:49:19 GMT
Please don't fill this thread with the same old diatribe. Especially as I opened it by STATING CLEARLY no one wants tax rises. we will get it though under the profligacy of new labour , while they stand on podiums telling us they know best as they waste billions of taxpayers cash.
Look at the state of new labour in liverpool and croydon councils , or the mess they have made in wales where they have been in power uninterrupted since devolution began.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 23, 2022 9:51:28 GMT
Talking about the NHS I would like to see all NHS care for private medical care patients stopped
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 9:55:16 GMT
Talking about the NHS I would like to see all NHS care for private medical care patients stopped Privatisation and the nhs go hand in hand under new labour. It was starmers lot who privatised the first nhs hospital in england. Wales has consistently had the worst nhs in the uk under 23 years of new labour rule.
They bankrupted glasgow city council after 80 years in charge , denied woman council employees equal wages , and left a pfi millstone around scottish taxpayers necks of tens of billions which drain our resources day by day , week by week.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 23, 2022 9:59:38 GMT
The man was a disaster as hindsight shows. Labour were cheerleaders of lax banking regulation then ran off screaming when it all went tits up and blamed everyone else as ever.
We cant afford another new labour government.
The UK economy performed well and the real incomes of Britons grew 18% during 1997–2006. Blair kept to Conservative commitments not to increase income tax in the first term although rates of employee's National Insurance (a payroll levy) were increased. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 10:00:23 GMT
Talking about the NHS I would like to see all NHS care for private medical care patients stopped
Critics slam the toxic credit scheme introduced by Labour Party that has left health boards with a crippling bill of£7.8bn.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 10:05:03 GMT
The man was a disaster as hindsight shows. Labour were cheerleaders of lax banking regulation then ran off screaming when it all went tits up and blamed everyone else as ever.
We cant afford another new labour government.
The UK economy performed well and the real incomes of Britons grew 18% during 1997–2006. Blair kept to Conservative commitments not to increase income tax in the first term although rates of employee's National Insurance (a payroll levy) were increased. you need to sort your quotes out mate.
The real incomes of the working age poor fell far behind everyone else under new labours term in power which is what was being talked about earlier. They failed on so many promises , and less than a year after blairs first emphatic victory , many media outlets were crying ever had the feeling you have been cheated in regards to new labour.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 10:08:08 GMT
The man was a disaster as hindsight shows. Labour were cheerleaders of lax banking regulation then ran off screaming when it all went tits up and blamed everyone else as ever.
We cant afford another new labour government.
The UK economy performed well and the real incomes of Britons grew 18% during 1997–2006. Blair kept to Conservative commitments not to increase income tax in the first term although rates of employee's National Insurance (a payroll levy) were increased. Poverty levels have grown under Labour
The gap between rich and poor in Britain is at its largest in 13 years and poverty levels under Tony Blair exceed those under Margaret Thatcher, government statistics reveal.
Figures from the Office for National Statistics for income inequality show that differences in disposable, post-tax income at the top and bottom of society have returned to levels last seen in 1990.
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