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Post by thomas on May 2, 2023 6:41:11 GMT
Sir Keir Starmer poised to ditch pledge on free university tuition
Keir Starmer is preparing to ditch Labour’s commitment to free university tuition, setting him on another collision course with the left of his party.
Labour’s two past general election manifestos promised to abolish tuition fees and Starmer’s successful leadership campaign in 2020 pledged to retain that policy. But the Labour leader is preparing a speech for later this month in which he will reverse his position.
A senior party source told The Times: “At a time when we’re being so careful about spending commitments, it’s a glaring anomaly that we still haven’t moved on tuition fees. It’s one of the remaining commitments from 2019 that we will be clear we have moved on from.”
Labour strategists hope that electoral benefits from showing Starmer’s fiscal discipline will outweigh the costs of criticism from the party’s left that he is abandoning another previous commitment.
Earlier this year Starmer insisted that the ten pledges which formed the basis of his leadership bid “haven’t all been abandoned by any stretch of the imagination”. But he no longer wants to increase income tax for the top 5 per cent of earners, “defend free movement” with the EU or abolish the universal credit benefit system. Plans to nationalise energy companies have also been ditched.
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Post by Pacifico on May 2, 2023 6:52:40 GMT
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Post by walterpaisley on May 2, 2023 7:10:54 GMT
So on the one hand, we've got a newspaper report quoting a single, unnamed source, versus a party leader who's just reiterated his pledge on national tv, knowing full well that if he's lying it gets thrown back at him forever more.
Maybe it's time to give Mr S the benefit of the doubt?
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Post by sheepy on May 2, 2023 7:13:45 GMT
It will be all the same madness for the next few days as the Westminster party try to turn out voters to vote for the same thing they never want.
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Post by Pacifico on May 2, 2023 7:21:57 GMT
So on the one hand, we've got a newspaper report quoting a single, unnamed source, versus a party leader who's just reiterated his pledge on national tv, knowing full well that if he's lying it gets thrown back at him forever more. Maybe it's time to give Mr S the benefit of the doubt? Is that assessment based on his record of sticking to pledges? |
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Post by borchester on May 2, 2023 7:26:25 GMT
Good.
Anything free is worth what you pay for it.
The only people who knew how to run Higher Education system were the dominies at Edinburgh University who not only charged fees, but weighed the coins because who the hell trusts a student? Later on the custom declined, as did the Scottish Education system
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Post by thomas on May 2, 2023 7:32:07 GMT
Good.
Anything free is worth what you pay for it.
The only people who knew how to run Higher Education system were the dominies at Edinburgh University who not only charged fees, but weighed the coins because who the hell trusts a student? Later on the custom declined, as did the Scottish Education system
scottish highers have always been free borkie , for scots since year dot. Its what made the kirk famous , its determination to educate the plebs , and gave us of course the enlightenment.
Labour did bring tuition fees in , in scotland , before the people gave them the well deserved boot and the snp reversed that decision. Now the only people who pay are the foreigners at glesga uni. We have thousands of middle class chinese paying.
Still , once again sir keir takes the political limelight off the snp and tories , and i would imagine labour should drop yet more percentage points in the polls over the coming days.
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Post by thomas on May 2, 2023 7:35:56 GMT
So on the one hand, we've got a newspaper report quoting a single, unnamed source, versus a party leader who's just reiterated his pledge on national tv, knowing full well that if he's lying it gets thrown back at him forever more. Maybe it's time to give Mr S the benefit of the doubt? Is that assessment based on his record of sticking to pledges? well said pacifico.
When i see keir starmer , im reminded of that old saying.
It takes years to build trust , and seconds to break it. Once gone its gone for good.
Another one of starmers infamous tactical blunders im thinking.
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Post by Pacifico on May 2, 2023 7:39:33 GMT
Well he is not denying it this morning....
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Post by thomas on May 2, 2023 7:45:57 GMT
Breaking a pledge on tuition fees? What could possibly go wrong.............
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2023 7:46:42 GMT
But its not a broken promise .. is it ?
If Keir Starmer went into the 2024 general election with this particular committment in the manifesto, and won, and then renaged on the promise, it would then be a "broken" promise.
But if a prevously committed policy is taken out of the YET TO BE PUBLISHED manifesto, then how could it be a broken promise.
Times change, priorities change, commitments change, and my own personal opinion is that there are far more important issues which need urgently resolving, and which will require money, like for example the very sorry state of our NHS.
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Post by thomas on May 2, 2023 7:48:49 GMT
But its not a broken promise .. is it ?If Keir Starmer went into the 2024 general election with this particular committment in the manifesto, and won, and then renaged on the promise, it would then be a "broken" promise. But if a prevously committed policy is taken out of the YET TO BE PUBLISHED manifesto, then how could it be a broken promise. Times change, priorities change, commitments change, and my own personal opinion is that there are far more important issues which need urgently resolving, and which will require money, like for example the very sorry state of our NHS.
@socialistvoice
Sir Keir Starmer is to u-turn on yet another one of his leadership pledges: the abolition of tuition fees
His cheerleaders are claiming the Labour leader never made such a pledge: it is literally listed in pledge number 2 on his own website
keirstarmer
Stand up for universal services and defend our NHS. Support the abolition of tuition fees and invest in lifelong learning.
keirstarmer.com/plans/10-pledges/
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Post by thomas on May 2, 2023 7:49:47 GMT
The stupidity of the labour party and their followers knows no bounds...
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Post by Fairsociety on May 2, 2023 8:44:35 GMT
He does more U-turns than a driving school, he's got a blank piece of paper with his polices on it, the polls are predicting the Tories will do better than Labour, all of a sudden people are realising that council tax are going up no because of the Tories but the bad mismanagement of Labour run councils.
They also have become aware that Labour are egging on the NHS/teachers strikes, causing misery to innocent victims, they also realise that most of the wokieness and snowflakes are coming out of Labour, while realising how much lack of respect they have for tax payers money, they'll use it on any old lost cause, as long as it's their cause.
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Post by jonksy on May 2, 2023 8:46:47 GMT
It will be all the same madness for the next few days as the Westminster party try to turn out voters to vote for the same thing they never want. Or time to boot him up the arse Has he ever kept to a single pledge he has made? |
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