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Post by see2 on May 5, 2023 9:30:22 GMT
"Building a better Britain starts tomorrow" A serious set back for the Tories will start the ball rolling for all of those things. How thick does that make all of the small minded Knockers? The only idiot around here is you. Nah, you beat me to it by posting so many idiotic posts. Such as above where you had no answer to my post so you just post an insult LOL |
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Post by see2 on May 5, 2023 9:38:31 GMT
Not withstanding the many improvements made by New Labour who mainly lost office due to an international financial meltdown that was not of their creation. The 'many improvements' were usually through PFI contracts which is a good way to get things done when you want it done but a poor way for following governments who have to service those costs. I am not sure how true the £300 cost to change a light bulb is but it is illustrative of how the contracts were set up. My ex father in law was a maintenance man at a local hospital and although the cost of keeping him there was always an issue he could change a light bulb for ten minutes of his time and for 10p The fallacy of the 'Cost for changing a lightbulb' had everything to do with 'Health and Safety' NOT with PFIs. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 5, 2023 9:40:11 GMT
Now it looks like you win local elections by saying and doing nothing, no polices, no plans, just relying on people's gullible nature.
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Post by Orac on May 5, 2023 9:44:53 GMT
The Tories lost it.
They were given the power, refused to use it and performed two soft coups to get rid of the elected
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Post by see2 on May 5, 2023 9:57:17 GMT
Now it looks like you win local elections by saying and doing nothing, no polices, no plans, just relying on people's gullible nature. Only in your misguided opinion. Where is your evidence that Sue Gray is guilty? Or have you considered that you were misled by the media and Tory propaganda? |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 5, 2023 10:43:05 GMT
Now it looks like you win local elections by saying and doing nothing, no polices, no plans, just relying on people's gullible nature. Only in your misguided opinion. Where is your evidence that Sue Gray is guilty? Or have you considered that you were misled by the media and Tory propaganda? Well don't want to piss on his parade, but we've got at least one or two more local elections before the next General Election, so if him and Gray are found guilty of wrong doing that will be the end of his big dream to be PM ... LOL |
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Post by dodgydave on May 5, 2023 13:45:20 GMT
For a lot of people it is not about whether we have a Labour government or not.
This is what it is about...
Imagine waiting 13 years for a Labour government to have a chance of winning, but being dismayed at the lack of a positive vision.
His policies so far are a fucking joke, and how he is going to fund them is even more laughable. It is ok saying he is keeping quiet to get in, but that isn't good enough. Without a positive vision people are going to vote (or not even bother to vote) for the status quo and we are going to have a hung parliament. Blair won because he had that positive vision... minimum wage, build school / hospitals, more university places etc. Blair also had some seriously good MPs at his top table. The current Labour crop are good at virtue signaling and telling people they are victims, but I don't see much talent there.
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Post by see2 on May 5, 2023 19:01:03 GMT
Only in your misguided opinion. Where is your evidence that Sue Gray is guilty? Or have you considered that you were misled by the media and Tory propaganda? Well don't want to piss on his parade, but we've got at least one or two more local elections before the next General Election, so if him and Gray are found guilty of wrong doing that will be the end of his big dream to be PM ... LOL So your accusations that Gray and Starmer are guilty was nothing more than your opinion framed on the accusations and insinuations thrown about by mud slinging Tories. Proving my point that many people are easily led, when they want to be, by the media. According to the I news paper on the 2nd May. Labour has said "it will abide by the advice of the 'Advisory Committee on Business Appointments' (Acoba)" and that "Miss Gray will not start work until it had given her the Green Light". |
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Post by see2 on May 5, 2023 19:32:53 GMT
For a lot of people it is not about whether we have a Labour government or not. This is what it is about... Imagine waiting 13 years for a Labour government to have a chance of winning, but being dismayed at the lack of a positive vision. His policies so far are a fucking joke, and how he is going to fund them is even more laughable. It is ok saying he is keeping quiet to get in, but that isn't good enough. Without a positive vision people are going to vote (or not even bother to vote) for the status quo and we are going to have a hung parliament. Blair won because he had that positive vision... minimum wage, build school / hospitals, more university places etc. Blair also had some seriously good MPs at his top table. The current Labour crop are good at virtue signaling and telling people they are victims, but I don't see much talent there. It isn't a case of Starmer 'V' Blair, it is a case of Starmer 'V' more Tory mishandling of the UK. Posts such as yours are likely to encourage a continuation of the Tory misguided mismanagement that has held the UK back, as the Tories continue to dominate Parliament as they have done since 1951. |
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Post by dodgydave on May 8, 2023 18:50:04 GMT
For a lot of people it is not about whether we have a Labour government or not. This is what it is about... Imagine waiting 13 years for a Labour government to have a chance of winning, but being dismayed at the lack of a positive vision. His policies so far are a fucking joke, and how he is going to fund them is even more laughable. It is ok saying he is keeping quiet to get in, but that isn't good enough. Without a positive vision people are going to vote (or not even bother to vote) for the status quo and we are going to have a hung parliament. Blair won because he had that positive vision... minimum wage, build school / hospitals, more university places etc. Blair also had some seriously good MPs at his top table. The current Labour crop are good at virtue signaling and telling people they are victims, but I don't see much talent there. It isn't a case of Starmer 'V' Blair, it is a case of Starmer 'V' more Tory mishandling of the UK. Posts such as yours are likely to encourage a continuation of the Tory misguided mismanagement that has held the UK back, as the Tories continue to dominate Parliament as they have done since 1951. You literally said he was trying to be electable like Blair did lol. I called bullshit and pointed out the obvious... unlike Blair he doesn't have a positive vision. Look around, there are 4/5 bedroom detached houses everywhere, new cars everywhere. The "majority" are doing ok, so Starmer needs to give them a reason to break the status quo and take a risk on him. Starmer's doom and gloom and victimhood appeals to a certain demographic, but it is not going to win him a decent majority. Your accusation that critising Labour helps the Tories is just boring. Has it ever occurred to you that they might be even worse? If you haven't even considered that then you are not much of a thinker are you... The Tories are a mess, but I'm looking at that shadow cabinet and seriously questioning if they are any better. 1) Leader that lied to win the leadership lol. 2) Shadow chancellor that has her parliamentary credit card stopped because she is caught racking up £4,000 worth of personal spending on it lol. 3) Shadow housing secretary that says she wants to build more houses... yet gets thousands stopped in her own consistency lol. |
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