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Post by zanygame on Apr 26, 2023 17:55:17 GMT
Is the idea of privatisation to restrict what treatments are available to those who cannot afford the top up insurance?
If not why would anyone pay extra for the same service?
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Post by Handyman on Apr 26, 2023 18:00:06 GMT
Sheepy
The NHS has been used by Politicians for a long time to score political points, no matter what they have said or done over the years it is failing no matter how much money we throw at it will prevent that, IMO
The Heath Services in European Countries appears to work well as far as I am aware, the NHS needs to be run as efficiently as possible it cannot keep going on as it is, perhaps taking a good look how they do it in Europe and see if it can work here
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Post by zanygame on Apr 26, 2023 18:13:28 GMT
Why will no one consider the idea that the European systems wold not work well if the price per patient was the same as the UK?
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 26, 2023 21:20:02 GMT
Why will no one consider the idea that the European systems wold not work well if the price per patient was the same as the UK? experience? |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 26, 2023 21:32:07 GMT
Why will no one consider the idea that the European systems wold not work well if the price per patient was the same as the UK? experience? Stupid answer |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 27, 2023 6:45:17 GMT
And we have been through this before. It's quite simple really - in insurance based systems the money follows the patient - in NHS type systems the patient gets whatever treatment the bureaucrats decide to pay for. ..and experience shows the flaws in that system. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 27, 2023 11:30:02 GMT
2020 - I could book appointments on line. 2023 - I cannot book appointments online. That's progress and absolutely no value for money for £220 billion. Someone needs a rocket. Our surgery and hospital are the exact opposite. Everything is online, your appointments, your updates, your consultations. All good. I refuse to communicate with the NHS (Hospital or GP surgery) online. I object to the fact that the NHS 'expects' people to have email and smartphones at personal expense, for the convenience of the NHS. The receptionist at my GP surgery, who I'm sure is ex SS, asks for my mobile phone number every time she see's me. She knows I'm not going to give it, but she always asks. |
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Post by bancroft on Apr 27, 2023 12:00:09 GMT
Farage said about a decade the NHS would have to change as it is taking up too much of our GDP. I use alternative supplements and have found them very useful, always have done some exercise too. I'll probably go to Switzerland when my time comes I expect late 60s-70. No way do I want to be dependent or die in pain on bucket loads of morphine like drugs to kill the pain while waiting for the bed pan to be changed. By the time you reach 70 it will be quite young. I'm 64 and can still sprint, climb, and walk 30 miles a day. But I get your point I have no desire to spend my last years in a care home doing jigsaw puzzles. That's good to hear I was from the working class not the best diet as a kid and then injuries and the NHS failed, I am in mild pain most days. I know others who have been failed by the NHS they do not have the resources to challenge or go alternative. A lot of people failed by the NHS just keep quiet and muddle on as best they can. A few bring legal cases and they get settled quietly....... so you do not hear much about this. |
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Post by bancroft on Apr 27, 2023 12:41:57 GMT
Sheepy The NHS has been used by Politicians for a long time to score political points, no matter what they have said or done over the years it is failing no matter how much money we throw at it will prevent that, IMO The Heath Services in European Countries appears to work well as far as I am aware, the NHS needs to be run as efficiently as possible it cannot keep going on as it is, perhaps taking a good look how they do it in Europe and see if it can work here I find it strange we hear from time to time Europe is good yet never which one we might want to look at. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 27, 2023 17:08:24 GMT
Sheepy The NHS has been used by Politicians for a long time to score political points, no matter what they have said or done over the years it is failing no matter how much money we throw at it will prevent that, IMO The Heath Services in European Countries appears to work well as far as I am aware, the NHS needs to be run as efficiently as possible it cannot keep going on as it is, perhaps taking a good look how they do it in Europe and see if it can work here I find it strange we hear from time to time Europe is good yet never which one we might want to look at. Switzerland, Holland, Germany, Austria.. |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 27, 2023 18:18:07 GMT
Sheepy The NHS has been used by Politicians for a long time to score political points, no matter what they have said or done over the years it is failing no matter how much money we throw at it will prevent that, IMO The Heath Services in European Countries appears to work well as far as I am aware, the NHS needs to be run as efficiently as possible it cannot keep going on as it is, perhaps taking a good look how they do it in Europe and see if it can work here I find it strange we hear from time to time Europe is good yet never which one we might want to look at. I would suggest they look at all of them |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 27, 2023 18:24:09 GMT
And we have been through this before. It's quite simple really - in insurance based systems the money follows the patient - in NHS type systems the patient gets whatever treatment the bureaucrats decide to pay for. ..and experience shows the flaws in that system. That has nothing to do with what I said. Which was Why will no one consider the idea that the European systems would not work well if the price per patient was the same as the UK? |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 27, 2023 18:26:28 GMT
Our surgery and hospital are the exact opposite. Everything is online, your appointments, your updates, your consultations. All good. I refuse to communicate with the NHS (Hospital or GP surgery) online. I object to the fact that the NHS 'expects' people to have email and smartphones at personal expense, for the convenience of the NHS. The receptionist at my GP surgery, who I'm sure is ex SS, asks for my mobile phone number every time she see's me. She knows I'm not going to give it, but she always asks. They used to assume you had a landline. I don't think its n imposition to assume you have a mobile number. I think its you who's out of kilter with he modern world. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 27, 2023 18:28:46 GMT
I find it strange we hear from time to time Europe is good yet never which one we might want to look at. I would suggest they look at all of them Yep all the ones that charge more are better, but I'm sure that's just a coincidence. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 27, 2023 18:34:00 GMT
By the time you reach 70 it will be quite young. I'm 64 and can still sprint, climb, and walk 30 miles a day. But I get your point I have no desire to spend my last years in a care home doing jigsaw puzzles. That's good to hear I was from the working class not the best diet as a kid and then injuries and the NHS failed, I am in mild pain most days. I know others who have been failed by the NHS they do not have the resources to challenge or go alternative. A lot of people failed by the NHS just keep quiet and muddle on as best they can. A few bring legal cases and they get settled quietly....... so you do not hear much about this. I had terrible parents (Mum in and out of mental hospital, dad a bully) left home at 17. But always been pretty fit, liked squash and snowboarding. Never had a serious illness apart from meningitis which nearly killed me (Touch and go, called my wife into hospital to say goodbyes. Next day massive recovery and eating cornflakes) I think I'm just one of those lucky souls who is indestructible. Me and the Cockroaches 🤣🤣 Sorry you've had health problems, hope you muddle through. |
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