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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2023 18:55:33 GMT
Our surgery and hospital are the exact opposite. Everything is online, your appointments, your updates, your consultations. All good. I refuse to communicate with the NHS (Hospital or GP surgery) online. I object to the fact that the NHS 'expects' people to have email and smartphones at personal expense, for the convenience of the NHS. The receptionist at my GP surgery, who I'm sure is ex SS, asks for my mobile phone number every time she see's me. She knows I'm not going to give it, but she always asks. She always asks, because when she looks at her computer screen it is highlighted that no mobile number is on your file. That is quite unusual these days, as a mobile number is mutually beneficial, for obvious reasons. You obviously have no problem using an email address and using a computer, or you would not be on this forum! |
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Post by patman post on Apr 27, 2023 18:59:05 GMT
Seems to me that NHS care and service depends on where it’s being delivered.
I’m lucky enough to have company provided health insurance, but we’ve never had to call on it. NHS has come through for us every time for us and our now three kids.
I’ve also got relatives in their late seventies and early eighties around north and east London, and I have been amazed at the care that’s been taken of them during the pandemic. They’ve all been kept informed on what’s available and what they need to do to stay safe. Three of them have now had their sixth vaccination and a couple with COPD are being chased to see if they’ve have their pneumonia jabs.
I understand the difficulties for those who find it difficult to read, write, use the phone or go online. But the world moves on and it has to cater for the majority who don’t get their kicks by parading their inabilities and prejuduces…
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Post by bancroft on Apr 27, 2023 19:27:49 GMT
That's good to hear I was from the working class not the best diet as a kid and then injuries and the NHS failed, I am in mild pain most days. I know others who have been failed by the NHS they do not have the resources to challenge or go alternative. A lot of people failed by the NHS just keep quiet and muddle on as best they can. A few bring legal cases and they get settled quietly....... so you do not hear much about this. I had terrible parents (Mum in and out of mental hospital, dad a bully) left home at 17. But always been pretty fit, liked squash and snowboarding. Never had a serious illness apart from meningitis which nearly killed me (Touch and go, called my wife into hospital to say goodbyes. Next day massive recovery and eating cornflakes) I think I'm just one of those lucky souls who is indestructible. Me and the Cockroaches 🤣🤣 Sorry you've had health problems, hope you muddle through. Mum was 20 when I was born could not breast feed so I was put on carnation milk and processed honey. Growing up meat and 2 veg, normally tinned carrots and frozen peas with mash. Got IBS at 14, perhaps had it earlier would guess from my Dad catching fish and then insisting Mum sauteed it in milk as he could not stand rubbery fish. Sure this left parasites in it and at 7 saw something wriggling in my poo yet because of hostile / violent atmosphere at home just ignored it. I was not told i had bad head injury at about 18 months, fell off climbing frame onto concrete floor with blood coming out of the back of my head. Then at 14 had a leg injury after playing football without permission over a club backing onto our property on the way out was larking around and backed into some farm equipment which I fell over. It had opened up a gash in my upper thigh near the pelvis and had 14 stitches. So I could not do sports for 8 weeks while the 14 stitches healed and also had exams too. After this started getting headackes, blocked up, athletes foot, mouth ulcers and my feet became different sizes. To say this made life difficult was an understatement and doctors could not find anything except give me pharmaceutical drugs that made me drowsy. Not one asked if I had suffered an injury. After trying loads of things eventually saw an Osteopath that reeled off my injuries without me taking off any clothes that was 31. Before that at 25 after 9 years of discomfort read a book in WHSmith about the benefits of garlic. I did not like the smell so tried odourless garlic oil and straight way pain in my feet stopped. Because of this and things that have happened to my family believe the NHS does as much harm as it actually helps (A&E excepted) though most people are too indoctrinated to acknowledge this. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 27, 2023 19:45:48 GMT
I had terrible parents (Mum in and out of mental hospital, dad a bully) left home at 17. But always been pretty fit, liked squash and snowboarding. Never had a serious illness apart from meningitis which nearly killed me (Touch and go, called my wife into hospital to say goodbyes. Next day massive recovery and eating cornflakes) I think I'm just one of those lucky souls who is indestructible. Me and the Cockroaches 🤣🤣 Sorry you've had health problems, hope you muddle through. Mum was 20 when I was born could not breast feed so I was put on carnation milk and processed honey. Growing up meat and 2 veg, normally tinned carrots and frozen peas with mash. Got IBS at 14, perhaps had it earlier would guess from my Dad catching fish and then insisting Mum sauteed it in milk as he could not stand rubbery fish. Sure this left parasites in it and at 7 saw something wriggling in my poo yet because of hostile / violent atmosphere at home just ignored it. I was not told i had bad head injury at about 18 months, fell off climbing frame onto concrete floor with blood coming out of the back of my head. Then at 14 had a leg injury after playing football without permission over a club backing onto our property on the way out was larking around and backed into some farm equipment which I fell over. It had opened up a gash in my upper thigh near the pelvis and had 14 stitches. So I could not do sports for 8 weeks while the 14 stitches healed and also had exams too. After this started getting headackes, blocked up, athletes foot, mouth ulcers and my feet became different sizes. To say this made life difficult was an understatement and doctors could not find anything except give me pharmaceutical drugs that made me drowsy. Not one asked if I had suffered an injury. After trying loads of things eventually saw an Osteopath that reeled off my injuries without me taking off any clothes that was 31. Before that at 25 after 9 years of discomfort read a book in WHSmith about the benefits of garlic. I did not like the smell so tried odourless garlic oil and straight way pain in my feet stopped. Because of this and things that have happened to my family believe the NHS does as much harm as it actually helps (A&E excepted) though most people are too indoctrinated to acknowledge this. That's quite a life Bancroft, a huge number of different incidents and causes. I'm married to a Neuro Radiographer who was part of a team who saved countless lives. I've seen her cry at discovering a 17 year old with an inoperable tumour and seen her find a cure for a rare brain issue that caused life long massive headaches. Many of our friends are NHS. So I guess I'm bias but I think the NHS saves and helps far more than it fails. Still, I'm very sorry you have had such a rough road to travel. |
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Post by bancroft on Apr 27, 2023 20:04:22 GMT
Mum was 20 when I was born could not breast feed so I was put on carnation milk and processed honey. Growing up meat and 2 veg, normally tinned carrots and frozen peas with mash. Got IBS at 14, perhaps had it earlier would guess from my Dad catching fish and then insisting Mum sauteed it in milk as he could not stand rubbery fish. Sure this left parasites in it and at 7 saw something wriggling in my poo yet because of hostile / violent atmosphere at home just ignored it. I was not told i had bad head injury at about 18 months, fell off climbing frame onto concrete floor with blood coming out of the back of my head. Then at 14 had a leg injury after playing football without permission over a club backing onto our property on the way out was larking around and backed into some farm equipment which I fell over. It had opened up a gash in my upper thigh near the pelvis and had 14 stitches. So I could not do sports for 8 weeks while the 14 stitches healed and also had exams too. After this started getting headackes, blocked up, athletes foot, mouth ulcers and my feet became different sizes. To say this made life difficult was an understatement and doctors could not find anything except give me pharmaceutical drugs that made me drowsy. Not one asked if I had suffered an injury. After trying loads of things eventually saw an Osteopath that reeled off my injuries without me taking off any clothes that was 31. Before that at 25 after 9 years of discomfort read a book in WHSmith about the benefits of garlic. I did not like the smell so tried odourless garlic oil and straight way pain in my feet stopped. Because of this and things that have happened to my family believe the NHS does as much harm as it actually helps (A&E excepted) though most people are too indoctrinated to acknowledge this. That's quite a life Bancroft, a huge number of different incidents and causes. I'm married to a Neuro Radiographer who was part of a team who saved countless lives. I've seen her cry at discovering a 17 year old with an inoperable tumour and seen her find a cure for a rare brain issue that caused life long massive headaches. Many of our friends are NHS. So I guess I'm bias but I think the NHS saves and helps far more than it fails. Still, I'm very sorry you have had such a rough road to travel. Thanks, I had more than this too like angina and prostate pain yet becoming analytical found solutions. I can still do strength and stretching exercise yet need to be careful with jogging or running. I beat COV-ID within hours and was disgusted with the new project fear which handed the country over to the pharmaceutical industry with a lockdown destroying millions of jobs. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 27, 2023 20:40:02 GMT
That's quite a life Bancroft, a huge number of different incidents and causes. I'm married to a Neuro Radiographer who was part of a team who saved countless lives. I've seen her cry at discovering a 17 year old with an inoperable tumour and seen her find a cure for a rare brain issue that caused life long massive headaches. Many of our friends are NHS. So I guess I'm bias but I think the NHS saves and helps far more than it fails. Still, I'm very sorry you have had such a rough road to travel. Thanks, I had more than this too like angina and prostate pain yet becoming analytical found solutions. I can still do strength and stretching exercise yet need to be careful with jogging or running. I beat COV-ID within hours and was disgusted with the new project fear which handed the country over to the pharmaceutical industry with a lockdown destroying millions of jobs. Covid cost my company 1.4 million but I don't think it was project fear. It killed 140,000 British citizens and the vaccine saved millions across the planet. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 27, 2023 21:24:25 GMT
And we have been through this before. It's quite simple really - in insurance based systems the money follows the patient - in NHS type systems the patient gets whatever treatment the bureaucrats decide to pay for. ..and experience shows the flaws in that system. That has nothing to do with what I said. Which was Why will no one consider the idea that the European systems would not work well if the price per patient was the same as the UK?Well we are currently spending above the EU average and about the same as France. As the service in the UK is nowhere near that of France how would increasing it to Dutch or German levels improve it exponentially?  |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 27, 2023 21:38:01 GMT
That has nothing to do with what I said. Which was Why will no one consider the idea that the European systems would not work well if the price per patient was the same as the UK?Well we are currently spending above the EU average and about the same as France. As the service in the UK is nowhere near that of France how would increasing it to Dutch or German levels improve it exponentially? Where's the rest of the graph an the link. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 27, 2023 21:52:52 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Apr 28, 2023 6:35:08 GMT
Ok. So over the 10 year period you choose 2008 to 2018. The UK spent an average 91% of what France spent. 1, How is 2018 currently? 2, You pick a single year (2008) that matches France, when every other one shows us spending considerably less, why? 3, Why do you compare us unfavourably in performance to those EU countries who charge more than we do, but compare our spending to the whole EU. Isn't that a bit disingenuous? My conclusion is that in order to compare our NHS with that of France you would need to increase the NHS budget by 9%. I'm sure that would have the desired effect. It also proves my point that the Tories are starving the NHS of funds to make its performance poorer in order to persuade the public it needs to be in private hands. Just as they did with water. Starve the public services, claim they are top heavy and inefficient, privatise, increase bills by 20%. See improvements. Its so simple you wouldn't think anyone would fall for it twice, but there you go. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 28, 2023 6:46:42 GMT
Ok. So over the 10 year period you choose 2008 to 2018. The UK spent an average 91% of what France spent. So your argument is that if we spend an extra 9% we would have a health service as good as France?. Sorry but I simply do not believe you. We were spending the same as France up to 2007 and still had massive problems with the NHS. And as for your usual nonsense about the Tories starving the NHS for funds - it was under Labour where funding started to diverge and only began to recover when Labour left office. So please no more of your silly pro-Labour rants. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 28, 2023 9:04:54 GMT
Ok. So over the 10 year period you choose 2008 to 2018. The UK spent an average 91% of what France spent. So your argument is that if we spend an extra 9% we would have a health service as good as France?. Sorry but I simply do not believe you. We were spending the same as France up to 2007 and still had massive problems with the NHS. And as for your usual nonsense about the Tories starving the NHS for funds - it was under Labour where funding started to diverge and only began to recover when Labour left office. So please no more of your silly pro-Labour rants. Whether you believe me or not is unimportant. You are not comparing like with like while pretending you are. I made no comment about who slashed NHS funding, but as you raise the subject. It shrunk directly after the 2008 crash. Guess why. We have had a Tory government for 13 years now and we have seen no return to those comparative French German Austrian rates, why is that? Here. Look at NHS under Labour, then Tory Ooooh my.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 28, 2023 10:01:31 GMT
I refuse to communicate with the NHS (Hospital or GP surgery) online. I object to the fact that the NHS 'expects' people to have email and smartphones at personal expense, for the convenience of the NHS. The receptionist at my GP surgery, who I'm sure is ex SS, asks for my mobile phone number every time she see's me. She knows I'm not going to give it, but she always asks. She always asks, because when she looks at her computer screen it is highlighted that no mobile number is on your file. That is quite unusual these days, as a mobile number is mutually beneficial, for obvious reasons. You obviously have no problem using an email address and using a computer, or you would not be on this forum! Quite obviously I have no problem using an email address, I do however have a problem giving personal information to anyone or any agency who routinely ask for it, and asking for personal information is very routine these days. Christ they even ask for your email address when paying for goods in shops now, and people without a thought just give it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 28, 2023 10:07:07 GMT
I refuse to communicate with the NHS (Hospital or GP surgery) online. I object to the fact that the NHS 'expects' people to have email and smartphones at personal expense, for the convenience of the NHS. The receptionist at my GP surgery, who I'm sure is ex SS, asks for my mobile phone number every time she see's me. She knows I'm not going to give it, but she always asks. They used to assume you had a landline. I don't think its n imposition to assume you have a mobile number. I think its you who's out of kilter with he modern world. The NHS and my local surgery have my postal address and landline number, they can easily communicate with me if they so choose. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 28, 2023 10:25:52 GMT
They used to assume you had a landline. I don't think its n imposition to assume you have a mobile number. I think its you who's out of kilter with he modern world. The NHS and my local surgery have my postal address and landline number, they can easily communicate with me if they so choose. What's the difference between your landline and your mobile number? |
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