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Post by sheepy on Apr 26, 2023 5:55:12 GMT
It just shows the people you vote for have been attacking every part of your life. Because they certainly haven't been doing what they said they would do, yet I will hear round after round of why you should vote for them. Madness personified.
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Post by Handyman on Apr 26, 2023 7:24:03 GMT
The NHS doesn't need more money, it needs to be run properly. Christ health spending in 2020/21 was £220 billion. It doesn't matter how much money the government throw at the NHS, it will not improve. What the NHS needs is massive reform, the entire health system in this country needs more than reform, it needs redesigning. The reason it's a money pit is because politically it's a vote loser to mention NHS reform. If the Tories even hint at reform Labour are instantly telling the country that the Tories plan to flog it off to the yanks. The NHS is on it's knees because politicians are frightened to change it, because it's seen as a vote loser. And that mindset will ensure our health system gets ever worse. Yes it cannot go on as it is lurching from one crisis to another, it is inefficient its a post code lottery depending if you live in an NHS Trust area on how efficiently that trust is run, IMHO we should adopt a system that other countries in Europe have, as I understand it they fund their system via taxation on income, plus every adult has to also take out Private Medical Insurance. |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 26, 2023 7:30:15 GMT
Not this again, it is absolute bollocks. The Kingsfund has looked into this time and time again and the facts do not back up what you are saying: "Verdict There is no evidence of widespread privatisation of NHS services. The proportion of the NHS budget spent on services delivered by the private sector has remained broadly stable over the past decade. However, there has been a recent rise in the number of people choosing to use the private sector, paying for their treatment, in the context of long NHS waiting lists and times." www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/health-and-social-care-england-mythsWhether there is evidence of privatisation, widespread or otherwise is not the question. The question is, why of the 1.3 million NHS employees are half of them none clinical? The NHS is an absolute monster, it's a £220 billion (2020/21) money pit because politicians are frightened to touch it. The NHS wages bill alone is over £56 Billion a year and rising , more people are taking our Private Medical Insurance these days it is cheaper than ever now less than £30 a month they are doing so because the NHS is inefficient and cannot cope with the sheer volume of patients |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 26, 2023 9:05:05 GMT
You did mean wages . ”Guess where the moneys is” well the money is in the £150 billion per year NHS obviously . The NHS is far larger than BUPA. Of course when you asked “ Guess where the money is “ you were referring to “ working conditions, number of staff, stress levels, job satisfaction.“ That’s why you didn’t initially refer to them .🙄 Lets move on. No I didn't mean wages. I meant the private sector. And you need to calculate the money per patient, not globally. “The money “ is in the NHS. It’s much bigger than the private sector. The NHS is contracting out operations and procedures to the private sector . Dentistry is all but private sector. Who was talking about global costs? Do you make these things up only to deny it? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 26, 2023 9:33:54 GMT
In my experience over the last few years the NHS lurches from lackadaisical to incompetent. Being sent 100 miles away to see a specialist only to find he doesn’t specialise in that subject, being lied to time after time and only today going to a COVID vaccination appointment after being invited only to find that the NHS has changed the goalposts and sent me away. I’ve had to fight and make a noise at every step of the way fir anything even sitting in front of a nurse and refusing to budge until someone did something ..fucking anything. The NHS staff still have the clapping for heroes their ears but they are not heroes . Alternatively my nephew had a hip operation just a few weeks after seeing a surgeon and has had two cat scans in a couple of months because he complains of stomach pains . He has BUPA. My ‘ stomach ache appointment at the bowel clinic has been indefinitely postponed. Yes, i had BUPA while working for Barclays Bank. For which i was fucking outrageously taxed as an employee benefit. I thought it was absolutely magnificent when my scuba diving career came to an ignominious end not as a result of a diving related injury as i might have expected, but after an achilles tendon injury sustained while running to catch a fucking bus BUT my illusions came to a sudden end when i had to start claiming The amount covered would have easily met the costs of private surgery However the amounts for outpatient appointment cover was rapidly exhausted leaving me with bills running into the thousands Private Medical Insurance is a fucking scam and those selling it should be ritually beheaded. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 26, 2023 9:40:25 GMT
The NHS doesn't need more money, it needs to be run properly. Christ health spending in 2020/21 was £220 billion. It doesn't matter how much money the government throw at the NHS, it will not improve. What the NHS needs is massive reform, the entire health system in this country needs more than reform, it needs redesigning. The reason it's a money pit is because politically it's a vote loser to mention NHS reform. If the Tories even hint at reform Labour are instantly telling the country that the Tories plan to flog it off to the yanks. The NHS is on it's knees because politicians are frightened to change it, because it's seen as a vote loser. And that mindset will ensure our health system gets ever worse. The NHs does need more money, it treats more people every year with more long term ailments. It receives less money per patient than most of its contemporaries across the Western world. A a question for you. If the NHS doesn't need more money, how come the private systems charge so much more for the same treatments? A brief glance at the lifestyle of my university undergraduate colleague compared to my own might help there. He’s a neurosurgeon who took his degree to gain a Ph.D and then left tbe country. In Ohio he commenced a degree in Medicine and never looked back. |
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Post by dodgydave on Apr 26, 2023 11:54:42 GMT
Not this again, it is absolute bollocks. The Kingsfund has looked into this time and time again and the facts do not back up what you are saying: "Verdict There is no evidence of widespread privatisation of NHS services. The proportion of the NHS budget spent on services delivered by the private sector has remained broadly stable over the past decade. However, there has been a recent rise in the number of people choosing to use the private sector, paying for their treatment, in the context of long NHS waiting lists and times." www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/health-and-social-care-england-mythsWhether there is evidence of privatisation, widespread or otherwise is not the question. The question is, why of the 1.3 million NHS employees are half of them none clinical? The NHS is an absolute monster, it's a £220 billion (2020/21) money pit because politicians are frightened to touch it. What do mean by non-clinical? When my missus teaches advanced life support to doctors she is classed as non-clinical. Her friends that are Matrons and Ward Managers are classed as non-clinical. The idea that all you need is just doctors and nurses is crazy. Obviously there are many doctor and nurse vacancies that need filling, but this tired notion that it is failing because of too many managers is just rubbish. Many studies show that the NHS offers great value for money, we just need to concentrate on fully staffing it and sorting out the massive COVID backlog. The government believes in market forces, if they cannot recruit and retain they fucking need to pay more!! |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 26, 2023 12:25:12 GMT
No I didn't mean wages. I meant the private sector. And you need to calculate the money per patient, not globally. “The money “ is in the NHS. It’s much bigger than the private sector. The NHS is contracting out operations and procedures to the private sector . Dentistry is all but private sector. Who was talking about global costs? Do you make these things up only to deny it? Straight over your head, the lot of it. I'll take your advice and move on to people who at least have a clue what global and per head costs mean. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 26, 2023 12:29:58 GMT
“The money “ is in the NHS. It’s much bigger than the private sector. The NHS is contracting out operations and procedures to the private sector . Dentistry is all but private sector. Who was talking about global costs? Do you make these things up only to deny it? Straight over your head, the lot of it. I'll take your advice and move on to people who at least have a clue what global and per head costs mean. Says the one who posted the simplistic “ Guess where the moneys is“ and tries and fails to make it look meaningful, complex and insightful. |
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Post by bancroft on Apr 26, 2023 13:16:38 GMT
Farage said about a decade the NHS would have to change as it is taking up too much of our GDP.
I use alternative supplements and have found them very useful, always have done some exercise too.
I'll probably go to Switzerland when my time comes I expect late 60s-70. No way do I want to be dependent or die in pain on bucket loads of morphine like drugs to kill the pain while waiting for the bed pan to be changed.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 26, 2023 13:32:21 GMT
The waiting list for cataract operations are endless afaik. Varicose vein procedures are not done until the leg is ulcerated or about to be ulcerated in some areas .
Both these procedures seem to be pushed into the private sector unless the patient waits for years .
I expect more of the kind of procedures that are done on the elderly to be harder and harder to get.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2023 17:06:10 GMT
Not this again, it is absolute bollocks. The Kingsfund has looked into this time and time again and the facts do not back up what you are saying: "Verdict There is no evidence of widespread privatisation of NHS services. The proportion of the NHS budget spent on services delivered by the private sector has remained broadly stable over the past decade. However, there has been a recent rise in the number of people choosing to use the private sector, paying for their treatment, in the context of long NHS waiting lists and times." www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/health-and-social-care-england-mythsWhether there is evidence of privatisation, widespread or otherwise is not the question. The question is, why of the 1.3 million NHS employees are half of them none clinical? The NHS is an absolute monster, it's a £220 billion (2020/21) money pit because politicians are frightened to touch it. 2020 - I could book appointments on line. 2023 - I cannot book appointments online. That's progress and absolutely no value for money for £220 billion. Someone needs a rocket. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 26, 2023 17:19:48 GMT
Farage said about a decade the NHS would have to change as it is taking up too much of our GDP. I use alternative supplements and have found them very useful, always have done some exercise too. I'll probably go to Switzerland when my time comes I expect late 60s-70. No way do I want to be dependent or die in pain on bucket loads of morphine like drugs to kill the pain while waiting for the bed pan to be changed. By the time you reach 70 it will be quite young. I'm 64 and can still sprint, climb, and walk 30 miles a day. But I get your point I have no desire to spend my last years in a care home doing jigsaw puzzles. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 26, 2023 17:22:14 GMT
Whether there is evidence of privatisation, widespread or otherwise is not the question. The question is, why of the 1.3 million NHS employees are half of them none clinical? The NHS is an absolute monster, it's a £220 billion (2020/21) money pit because politicians are frightened to touch it. 2020 - I could book appointments on line. 2023 - I cannot book appointments online. That's progress and absolutely no value for money for £220 billion. Someone needs a rocket. Our surgery and hospital are the exact opposite. Everything is online, your appointments, your updates, your consultations. All good. |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 26, 2023 17:45:07 GMT
Whether there is evidence of privatisation, widespread or otherwise is not the question. The question is, why of the 1.3 million NHS employees are half of them none clinical? The NHS is an absolute monster, it's a £220 billion (2020/21) money pit because politicians are frightened to touch it. The NHS wages bill alone is over £56 Billion a year and rising , more people are taking our Private Medical Insurance these days it is cheaper than ever now less than £30 a month they are doing so because the NHS is inefficient and cannot cope with the sheer volume of patients Mmmm Sid will be along in a minute, I think somehow you have missed the point, which was the point of the NHS in the first place, to put it beyond the reach of politicians and create a free at source health system. which was brilliant in principle but like most great ideas politicians cannot help themselves. So now it is better to go back and have an insurance based system which has plenty of pitfalls of its own. |
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