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Post by Montegriffo on Apr 26, 2023 11:08:52 GMT
It may have missed your attention, but there are many differing views in every political party There are Libertarian Lib Dems, and there are Social Liberals amongst the Lib Dems, there are Populists within the Tory Party who would rather use culture wars as opposed to meaningful politics, and there are traditional Conservatives including One Nation Tories. Within the Labour Party, the majority of the orthodox hard line Socialists have gone.My Parliamentary Labour Candidate has been touring housing estates today, and on her Facebook page she has highlighted some of the things that local people are concerned with, number 1 seems to be homes and housing. My Tory MP is never seen from one election to another, though he did comment last week that keeping hospital parking charges for doctors and nurses was "the right thing to do". I can quote many instances of Tory MPs criticising other Tory MPs, and I can give many examples of Tory MPs who are so far apart on their views, that they could easily be in different political parties. Despite what you post, all the evidence suggests that a general election tomorrow would result in a Labour majority of around 260 seats ( Electoral Calculous ) including most Red Wall seats, including Boris Johnsons seat. Yes, but the problem the Labour party still have is that they are stuck with those who use identity politics to win certain votes - rather than 'meaningful politics'. You do realise that being ''anti-woke'' is identity politics too. |
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Post by om15 on Apr 26, 2023 11:57:47 GMT
Tommo, do you think the current problems with the SNP will blow over enough to not dent their support at the next election? or will a number decamp to Alba, I would have thought that there would have been a surge of membership numbers in Alba, but it doesn't appear that is so, or are current SNP supporters waiting to see what is happening.
There seems to be a lull in the proceedings, is this because that despite all the publicity the Police don't actually have too much to go on and in fact the situation isn't as bad as some of us gleefully think, or is it that there is so much evidence a team of typists can't type up the charges fast enough?
Labour appear to think that they will gain seats simply because they are not the Tories/SNP, and it is true that many middle of the road voters will go for labour, and many hard right will go for Reform UK, I see that Reform are planning to put candidates across Scotland, bit of a wasted effort I would have thought.
Labour appear to be ambivalent on immigration, this might not be as damaging in Scotland as it is in England, many English towns have become ghettos and this will be a major factor in the next election, but it doesn't appear to be such an issue in Scotland, so Labour may pick up a few votes more than down here because of that.
Indications are that there will be a greater spread of votes across the minor parties ( Green, Lib Dem, Reform) which could end up with it being rather messy, maybe a hopeless coalition situation perhaps, if Humza gets the shove and Kate Forbes takes over that will be the Greens out of the picture, I suppose anything could happen.
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Post by sandypine on Apr 26, 2023 11:58:17 GMT
Yes, but the problem the Labour party still have is that they are stuck with those who use identity politics to win certain votes - rather than 'meaningful politics'. You do realise that being ''anti-woke'' is identity politics too. Not necessarily being anti woke means that identity is of no consequence irrespective of what that identity is. One reverts to the old days when a short man was helped by a tall man to reach an upper shelf and a small man was used to work in tight areas. Where a disabled man was considered and where an able bodied person was happy to take the strain. Being anti woke means that an identity is not an entitlement to any extra consideration that good manners would normally allow. |
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Post by bancroft on Apr 26, 2023 12:11:09 GMT
Caught some of the politics show today and the Labour women without pausing for a breath was ramming home that Tory incompetence had destroyed the economic prosperity of the country. It seemed to be aimed at that period when Truss was the leader.
No mention of COV-ID taking us near the limit or the fact that Labour would have extended the lockdown forcing us into a potential devaluation of the pound.
So we see Labour are going to try very hard to move the goal posts and attack on economics as well as other factors.
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 26, 2023 20:49:37 GMT
Yes, but the problem the Labour party still have is that they are stuck with those who use identity politics to win certain votes - rather than 'meaningful politics'. You do realise that being ''anti-woke'' is identity politics too. You do realise that for every action there is a reaction don't you. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Apr 26, 2023 22:01:25 GMT
You do realise that being ''anti-woke'' is identity politics too. You do realise that for every action there is a reaction don't you. So where's the ''meaningful politics''? The right is just playing the same identity politics game as the left with their anti LGBGTQ rants and demonisation of refugees. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 27, 2023 5:56:28 GMT
You do realise that for every action there is a reaction don't you. So where's the ''meaningful politics''? The right is just playing the same identity politics game as the left with their anti LGBGTQ rants and demonisation of refugees. The intake of refugees is an issue for many people rightly concerned, though you try and frame it as "demonisation" demonstrates you are playing identity politics rather than a government trying to get to grips with an issue. I don't see any LGBGTQ+ rants from the government. What I do see is said group demand all types of special inclusions at the expense of women and everyone else. With people like Starmer not being able to identify what a woman is, because he's too busy walking the minefield of identity politics. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2023 9:00:33 GMT
It's funny to see all the lefties sneering at the English saint. So predictable.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2023 9:03:46 GMT
Yes, but the problem the Labour party still have is that they are stuck with those who use identity politics to win certain votes - rather than 'meaningful politics'. You do realise that being ''anti-woke'' is identity politics too. I disagree. People can be against Woke because they don't support identity politics. A libertarian or genuine anarchist may look upon Woke as collectivism or fascism. |
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Post by walterpaisley on Apr 27, 2023 9:14:07 GMT
It's funny to see all the lefties sneering at the English saint. So predictable. Turkish, surely? |
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Post by Toreador on Apr 27, 2023 9:37:16 GMT
It's funny to see all the lefties sneering at the English saint. So predictable. Turkish, surely? Obviously missed by the Border Force. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2023 9:54:30 GMT
It's funny to see all the lefties sneering at the English saint. So predictable. Turkish, surely? You just reinforced his point! |
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Post by walterpaisley on Apr 27, 2023 9:59:10 GMT
You just reinforced his point! Understand "irony"? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2023 10:03:26 GMT
You just reinforced his point! Understand "irony"? No, the Mrs. does that.  |
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Post by bancroft on Apr 27, 2023 12:02:59 GMT
The Anglo-Saxons had Saints from England, the Norman Kings went for a foreign one.
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