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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 10:57:25 GMT
Theft of the ownership of patriotismFor too long the Conservative Party have wrongly believed that they are the only party of true patriotism, but the current Labour leader has decided to fight back, and is now frequently seen beside the flag of the United Kingdom. So where are the origins of Labour Party patriotism towards our country ? The answer is simple - it all started from the very beginning, the founder of the Labour Party of whom the present leader is so named after Keir Hardie was a dedicated patriot and Unionist, so much so that he actually kept a Union Flag in the living room of his home. HAPPY St GEORGES DAY to all posters View Attachment sid......... keir hardie was scottish mate. He supported scottish home rule , ie independent of the uk but part of the british empire. I mean you do try but often you do go off at a tangent talking guff. We are talking about the patron saint of england .
In fact you bolster my very argument where you jump on a thread about the patron saint of england , and try and turn the conversation around to labours patriotism for the uk ?
Exactly as i say , labour hate england , the english flag and saints , and only want to talk in uk terms. Kier starmer the man who tried to overtrun the democratic brexit vote on behalf of his masters in brussells now trying to go all english nationalsit is laughable.
Ask not what labour can do for you england , but what can england do for labour...... 
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Post by Montegriffo on Apr 23, 2023 11:04:25 GMT
Dragon murdering bastard.
What you going on about bloody leprechaun. You have that arsehole from dumbarton as patron saint. snake murdering cant.
There is no evidence that St Andrew kept to his quotas in his former job as a fisherman. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 11:05:03 GMT
If you ever come to scotland walter , you should do the tennents brewery tour . They even have a 3D hologram of st mungo the welshman . im born and bred in govan walter. That old govan church has had a church on its site for something like 1500 years , making it one of the oldest christian sites in the uk and possibly north west europe. The govan stones are impressive.
The tennents brewery site if you did go and visit has had continuous brewing on the current site going back to the 16th century at least. Last time i did the tour , there were english irish and couples from washington and north carolina there . Its one of the biggest breweries in europe , and that is true that the italians are the biggest buyers of the tennets super lager.
Funnily enough super lager in glasgow is synonymous with alcoholics and down and outs . Glaswegians dont tend to touch it , as we are more accustomed to fine wine with merlot being a particular favourite.
Imagine our surprise when the italians buy that shite by the bucketload , with their fine palate and cuisine. They do say one mans rubbish is another mans treasure.
However bad super lager is though , i couldnt bring myself to stoop as low to drink that anglo saxon pisswater that passes as real ale. aye though it a good tour.
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 11:10:11 GMT
What you going on about bloody leprechaun. You have that arsehole from dumbarton as patron saint. snake murdering cant.
There is no evidence that St Andrew kept to his quotas in his former job as a fisherman. well st patrick was a drunken alcoholic from dumbarton famous for people smuggling and brewing poiteen. It was during one of his drunken rampages on the island of ireland that he was alleged to have murdered all the snakes by breathing on them his halitosis was that bad.
There is of course no real evidence for his many and varied exploits except in the folklore of the scots and irish .such is the way of the saints.
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Post by Montegriffo on Apr 23, 2023 11:16:03 GMT
There is no evidence that St Andrew kept to his quotas in his former job as a fisherman. well st patrick was a drunken alcoholic from dumbarton famous for people smuggling and brewing poiteen. It was during one of his drunken rampages on the island of ireland that he was alleged to have murdered all the snakes by breathing on them his halitosis was that bad.
There is of course no real evidence for his many and varied exploits except in the folklore of the scots and irish .such is the way of the saints.
Drunken alcoholics are the worst kind of alcoholics. Of course these days if he'd turned up in a small boat preaching a new religion Cruella would be calling for him to be sent to Rwanda. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 11:35:52 GMT
well st patrick was a drunken alcoholic from dumbarton famous for people smuggling and brewing poiteen. It was during one of his drunken rampages on the island of ireland that he was alleged to have murdered all the snakes by breathing on them his halitosis was that bad.
There is of course no real evidence for his many and varied exploits except in the folklore of the scots and irish .such is the way of the saints.
Drunken alcoholics are the worst kind of alcoholics. Of course these days if he'd turned up in a small boat preaching a new religion Cruella would be calling for him to be sent to Rwanda. well st andrew was a functioning alcholic , which meant he could go about the days job of fishing for cash in hand. Drunken alcoholics are no use to man nor beast.
didnt diane claim cruella was responsible for migrant rapes as well? Whats happening in starmers labour monte ? Diane losing the whip , macdonnell arguing with nandy , wurzel getting the boot and potentially de selected for the islington champagne socialist seat .
Is it all falling down around keiths ears?
I think labour are going to need a few saints like andy and paddy to do a bit of excorcism in the party and canonise tory blair .
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Post by Montegriffo on Apr 23, 2023 11:41:21 GMT
Drunken alcoholics are the worst kind of alcoholics. Of course these days if he'd turned up in a small boat preaching a new religion Cruella would be calling for him to be sent to Rwanda. well st andrew was a functioning alcholic , which meant he could go about the days job of fishing for cash in hand. Drunken alcoholics are no use to man nor beast.
didnt diane claim cruella was responsible for migrant rapes as well? Whats happening in starmers labour monte ? Diane losing the whip , macdonnell arguing with nandy , wurzel getting the boot and potentially de selected for the islington champagne socialist seat .
Is it all falling down around keiths ears?
I think labour are going to need a few saints like andy and paddy to do a bit of excorcism in the party and canonise tory blair .
It's hopeless mate. Labour or Conservative, they are all Tories down here. It's about time everybody started voting Green if you ask me. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2023 11:43:04 GMT
Theft of the ownership of patriotismFor too long the Conservative Party have wrongly believed that they are the only party of true patriotism, but the current Labour leader has decided to fight back, and is now frequently seen beside the flag of the United Kingdom. So where are the origins of Labour Party patriotism towards our country ? The answer is simple - it all started from the very beginning, the founder of the Labour Party of whom the present leader is so named after Keir Hardie was a dedicated patriot and Unionist, so much so that he actually kept a Union Flag in the living room of his home. HAPPY St GEORGES DAY to all posters View Attachment sid......... keir hardie was scottish mate. He supported scottish home rule , ie independent of the uk but part of the british empire. I mean you do try but often you do go off at a tangent talking guff. We are talking about the patron saint of england .
In fact you bolster my very argument where you jump on a thread about the patron saint of england , and try and turn the conversation around to labours patriotism for the uk ?
Exactly as i say , labour hate england , the english flag and saints , and only want to talk in uk terms. Kier starmer the man who tried to overtrun the democratic brexit vote on behalf of his masters in brussells now trying to go all english nationalsit is laughable.
Ask not what labour can do for you england , but what can england do for labour......
The founder of the Labour Party was indeed a man from Scotland, and I dare say a proud Scot, but then why not. But Kier Hardie was what you might say "a mixed up socialist", but his patriotism towards our country ( the United Kingdom ) can hardly be questioned, there are pictures of Hardie hoisting the Union Flag, he kept a Union Flag in his home, he was a Socialist who believed in The British Empire, but also believed in self government, including for India. I have been down this route before, but I will argue this valid point ... Neither England or Scotland are sovereign states or nations, both are nations within the United Kingdom. There is no such thing as an English Passport, and no such internationally recognised nationality as English or Scottish. To say that some people in Scotland want "independence from England" is an absurdity, the reality is that some people want to "SEPARATE" from the United Kingdom, consisting of 3 nations and one province, all equal. The thread here is also about the doubts that some raise over the level of patriotism within the Labour Party. I believe our shared heritage and history is wonderful, and it is what makes us uniquely "British", but also English or Scottish or Welsh of Northern Irish. Its marvelous that we all have both a shared culture, and our individual cultures, its great that you have St Andrew, we have St George, its marvelous to see so many English people celebrate St Patricks Day, it makes me proud that we all live together within these islands with our Daffodils, Roses, Thistles and Shamrock. Its how the world should be - and I am truly a Kier Starmer supporter, proud to be an Englishman, proud to be British |
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 11:48:54 GMT
well st andrew was a functioning alcholic , which meant he could go about the days job of fishing for cash in hand. Drunken alcoholics are no use to man nor beast.
didnt diane claim cruella was responsible for migrant rapes as well? Whats happening in starmers labour monte ? Diane losing the whip , macdonnell arguing with nandy , wurzel getting the boot and potentially de selected for the islington champagne socialist seat .
Is it all falling down around keiths ears?
I think labour are going to need a few saints like andy and paddy to do a bit of excorcism in the party and canonise tory blair .
It's hopeless mate. Labour or Conservative, they are all Tories down here. It's about time everybody started voting Green if you ask me. christ monte dont do that. Look at the state of the two fucking clowns in the scottish parliament and scot government harvie and slater. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Apr 23, 2023 12:02:32 GMT
It's hopeless mate. Labour or Conservative, they are all Tories down here. It's about time everybody started voting Green if you ask me. christ monte dont do that. Look at the state of the two fucking clowns in the scottish parliament and scot government harvie and slater. The way I see it there are two possible choices. Vote Green to save the environment or Lib Dem to free the weed and get back in the single market. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 12:06:56 GMT
sid......... keir hardie was scottish mate. He supported scottish home rule , ie independent of the uk but part of the british empire. I mean you do try but often you do go off at a tangent talking guff. We are talking about the patron saint of england .
In fact you bolster my very argument where you jump on a thread about the patron saint of england , and try and turn the conversation around to labours patriotism for the uk ?
Exactly as i say , labour hate england , the english flag and saints , and only want to talk in uk terms. Kier starmer the man who tried to overtrun the democratic brexit vote on behalf of his masters in brussells now trying to go all english nationalsit is laughable.
Ask not what labour can do for you england , but what can england do for labour......
The founder of the Labour Party was indeed a man from Scotland, and I dare say a proud Scot, but then why not. But Kier Hardie was what you might say "a mixed up socialist", but his patriotism towards our country ( the United Kingdom ) can hardly be questioned, there are pictures of Hardie hoisting the Union Flag, he kept a Union Flag in his home, he was a Socialist who believed in The British Empire, but also believed in self government, including for India. Home rule as espoused by keir hardie for scotland was the end of the then uk state , and scotland a self governing entity part of the empire with the monarch as head of the scottish indendent state. Claiming this is somehow different to what the current yes movement want is laughable. Hardie , like john maclean , were both socialists and scottish independence supporters.
Labours desperate attempts to re write history to canonise figures in the modern parties vision is laughable.
If keir hardies alleged patriotism to the uk cannot be questioned, then neither can alec salmonds , or michelle oneils , or adam prices.
This is just more nonsensical labour supporters diversionary waffle. Where in the thread has anyone claimed scotland or england are sovereign states? Both are countires , and the thread which i started is celebrating st georges day , the english patron saint.
Its not about keir hardie , or the uk.
Scotland and england are internationally recognised countires. Not only for exmaple in sport , where they compete at football and rugby , but for exmaple an acquantence of mine married a frnech girl in northern france and his french marriage certificate had his country of birth as Ecosse.
more diversions sid. This is a thread about the patron saint of england and labours questionable patriotism for england .Labour , as you flag up with every sentence hate england.
theres no doubt raised. Labour hate scotland and england and merely want to grasp what little uk support theycan garner for their own ends.
1. Its a fact people like emily thornberry and many others claim england flag is a flag of the racists .
2. its a fact the labour leader between 2016 to 2019 tried to overturn the democratic english vote to leave the EU and sell england down the road to a foreign power in brussells against the public opinion.
Trying to tell us that somehow there is nothing to see in the anti english labour party , and that somehow by waffling on about the uk and st george you are patricotic for five minute is laughable.
yes yes yes sid , but i dont. We are here to talk in this thread about the patron saint of england . As well as labours laughable attmept at english patriotism. St george isnt the patron saint of britian mate. Labour are the party of the southern english middle class liberals , hated in scotland and the red wall seats.
Labour’s England problem
The impulse to deride patriotism reflects the party’s distance from many core voters
In the window of a council house on a working-class estate in Exeter was a sticker bearing the cross of St George and a simple warning: ‘If this flag offends you, why not consider moving to another country?’ For some canvassers working on Labour MP Ben Bradshaw’s 2015 campaign, such a symbol naturally meant the dreaded ‘A’ on the canvas sheet: ‘Against Labour’.
In fact, it was a household of solid Labour voters — supporting a party far too often offended by the flag. The truth is that the Labour party has an English problem. While members might just about embrace Britishness, too many feel queasy about Englishness — with all those connotations of ethnicity and chauvinism. Or as one activist put it to me, when I suggested we value English identity, ‘Why don’t you just join the British [sic] National Party?
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 12:08:17 GMT
christ monte dont do that. Look at the state of the two fucking clowns in the scottish parliament and scot government harvie and slater. The way I see it there are two possible choices. Vote Green to save the environment or Lib Dem to free the weed and get back in the single market. i think your liberals would probably be your better choice. The greens are a disaster. Part of the current snp problems is being shackled to these fantasists , and their high school politics. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 12:14:54 GMT
sid......... keir hardie was scottish mate. He supported scottish home rule , ie independent of the uk but part of the british empire. I mean you do try but often you do go off at a tangent talking guff. We are talking about the patron saint of england .
In fact you bolster my very argument where you jump on a thread about the patron saint of england , and try and turn the conversation around to labours patriotism for the uk ?
Exactly as i say , labour hate england , the english flag and saints , and only want to talk in uk terms. Kier starmer the man who tried to overtrun the democratic brexit vote on behalf of his masters in brussells now trying to go all english nationalsit is laughable.
Ask not what labour can do for you england , but what can england do for labour......
The thread here is also about the doubts that some raise over the level of patriotism within the Labour Party. who can forget this sid.....
DEMOCRACY DAN White van man who was mocked by Emily Thornberry for hanging a St George’s flag on his house says MPs must call a general election to ‘sort out Brexit’
Tweet row MP Emily Thornberry has admitted being branded a “snob” after posting a picture of a house draped in England flags was “particularly upsetting”.
The Labour MP was forced to quit as a shadow minister after uploading the photo showing a white van on the property’s drive and captioning it: “Image from Rochester
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 12:17:55 GMT
Opinion: Does Labour hate England?
Labour MPs say their party looks like it has a problem with the idea of being English.
The theme running throughout the book is that patriotic English men and women don’t think Labour is for them any more.
And they may be right. Because the party is scared of English identity and the things that go with it - pride in your country and the flag of St George.
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Post by bancroft on Apr 23, 2023 13:03:42 GMT
St. George and the flag was adopted by the Norman King of England, Richard 1.
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