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Post by Handyman on Apr 23, 2023 13:37:30 GMT
St. George and the flag was adopted by the Norman King of England, Richard 1. He is also the patron saint of 25 other countries , even celebrated by some Muslims nobody is certain but he was allegedly born in Greece he became a Roman Soldier later crucified as he refused to give up his Christian faith, St Andrew was allegedly also crucified in Greece, As for St David he was actually born in Wales according to the historians , St Patrick again according to the historians was captured by Irish Raiders in Britain taken back to Ireland made a slave in Ireland, he escaped when he was about 16 years old and got back to Britain , later became a Priest and went back to Ireland to preach |
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Post by bancroft on Apr 23, 2023 14:00:01 GMT
St. George and the flag was adopted by the Norman King of England, Richard 1. He is also the patron saint of 25 other countries , even celebrated by some Muslims nobody is certain but he was allegedly born in Greece he became a Roman Soldier later crucified as he refused to give up his Christian faith, St Andrew was allegedly also crucified in Greece, As for St David he was actually born in Wales according to the historians , St Patrick again according to the historians was captured by Irish Raiders in Britain taken back to Ireland made a slave in Ireland, he escaped when he was about 16 years old and got back to Britain , later became a Priest and went back to Ireland to preach I don't think when the Irish celebrate St.Paddys day they think anything of where St.Patrick came from. |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 23, 2023 14:02:47 GMT
Why should they same as here I celebrate St Georges Day and don't think where he came from,
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Post by bancroft on Apr 23, 2023 14:11:31 GMT
Though we don't celebrate it............
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 14:19:33 GMT
He is also the patron saint of 25 other countries , even celebrated by some Muslims nobody is certain but he was allegedly born in Greece he became a Roman Soldier later crucified as he refused to give up his Christian faith, St Andrew was allegedly also crucified in Greece, As for St David he was actually born in Wales according to the historians , St Patrick again according to the historians was captured by Irish Raiders in Britain taken back to Ireland made a slave in Ireland, he escaped when he was about 16 years old and got back to Britain , later became a Priest and went back to Ireland to preach I don't think when the Irish celebrate St.Paddys day they think anything of where St.Patrick came from. Why would they ? st patrick was a celtic briton from modern dumbarton. What the english would have called a welshman. |
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Post by bancroft on Apr 23, 2023 14:24:47 GMT
Well at least we agree he was kidnapped by slavers from Ireland.
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 14:31:26 GMT
Well at least we agree he was kidnapped by slavers from Ireland. You do understand as i told vinny earlier that the modern britain as you know it didnt exist in the fifth century ad?
The old roman province of brittannia was collapsing ,which stretched from hadrians wall south , and the english ancestors were just starting to invade the south east coasts , as the ancestors of the scots and irish pushed south and east.
St paddy was a british welsh speaking celt born at a place called bannarem taberniae , now identified as modern dumbarton and his real name was allegedly "sucat". He was taken allegedly as a hostage by the gael milchu at age 16 to work in slemish ballymena , across the water in antrim.
Theres no sensible person in any country associates him with modern anglo britian , so im not sure what point you are inferring to regarding do the irish know where he comes from if you are somehow refferring to the modern british and irelands distaste for them.
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Post by Montegriffo on Apr 23, 2023 14:53:23 GMT
Well at least we agree he was kidnapped by slavers from Ireland. You do understand as i told vinny earlier that the modern britain as you know it didnt exist in the fifth century ad?
The old roman province of brittannia was collapsing ,which stretched from hadrians wall south , and the english ancestors were just starting to invade the south east coasts , as the ancestors of the scots and irish pushed south and east.
St paddy was a british welsh speaking celt born at a place called bannarem taberniae , now identified as modern dumbarton and his real name was allegedly "sucat". He was taken allegedly as a hostage by the gael milchu at age 16 to work in slemish ballymena , across the water in antrim.
Theres no sensible person in any country associates him with modern anglo britian , so im not sure what point you are inferring to regarding do the irish know where he comes from if you are somehow refferring to the modern british and irelands distaste for them.
Presumably there were still Celts living in England when the Romans left and the Angles etc started invading? The Romans didn't wipe them all out. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 14:59:56 GMT
You do understand as i told vinny earlier that the modern britain as you know it didnt exist in the fifth century ad?
The old roman province of brittannia was collapsing ,which stretched from hadrians wall south , and the english ancestors were just starting to invade the south east coasts , as the ancestors of the scots and irish pushed south and east.
St paddy was a british welsh speaking celt born at a place called bannarem taberniae , now identified as modern dumbarton and his real name was allegedly "sucat". He was taken allegedly as a hostage by the gael milchu at age 16 to work in slemish ballymena , across the water in antrim.
Theres no sensible person in any country associates him with modern anglo britian , so im not sure what point you are inferring to regarding do the irish know where he comes from if you are somehow refferring to the modern british and irelands distaste for them.
Presumably there were still Celts living in England when the Romans left and the Angles etc started invading? The Romans didn't wipe them all out. of course what is now england was entirely celtic when the romans left. The ancestors of the english either pushed most of them out or wiped them out as evidenced by the fact there is no celtic words in old english.
The normans made up less than 1 % of englands popualtion in 1066 , but lingustically left their mark so much that half the modern english language is norman french.
England today is not a celtic nation , and the only areas of modern england where celtic languages survived is in the northern and western fringes as you would expect.
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Post by Montegriffo on Apr 23, 2023 15:04:37 GMT
Presumably there were still Celts living in England when the Romans left and the Angles etc started invading? The Romans didn't wipe them all out. of course what is now england was entirely celtic when the romans left. The ancestors of the english either pushed most of them out or wiped them out as evidenced by the fact there is no celtic words in old english.
The normans made up less than 1 % of englands popualtion in 1066 , but lingustically left their mark so much that half the modern english language is norman french.
England today is not a celtic nation , and the only areas of modern england where celtic languages survived is in the northern and western fringes as you would expect.
Is Cornish not a Celtic language then? |
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 15:09:17 GMT
of course what is now england was entirely celtic when the romans left. The ancestors of the english either pushed most of them out or wiped them out as evidenced by the fact there is no celtic words in old english.
The normans made up less than 1 % of englands popualtion in 1066 , but lingustically left their mark so much that half the modern english language is norman french.
England today is not a celtic nation , and the only areas of modern england where celtic languages survived is in the northern and western fringes as you would expect.
Is Cornish not a Celtic language then? It is. Cornwall historically was classed in latin as being controlled by england but not of england. As i said earlier , the celtic languages were pushed out of england to the fringes. Doesnt cornwall even today not have laws and rules peculair to their status differing from the rest of england?
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Post by Montegriffo on Apr 23, 2023 15:14:36 GMT
Is Cornish not a Celtic language then? It is. Cornwall historically was classed in latin as being controlled by england but not of england. As i said earlier , the celtic languages were pushed out of england to the fringes. Doesnt cornwall even today not have laws and rules peculair to their status differing from the rest of england?
They do have their own parliament and their own national day (March 5th) and patron saint (St Piran). |
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Post by Montegriffo on Apr 23, 2023 15:16:13 GMT
...and a cool black flag.  |
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 15:20:41 GMT
It is. Cornwall historically was classed in latin as being controlled by england but not of england. As i said earlier , the celtic languages were pushed out of england to the fringes. Doesnt cornwall even today not have laws and rules peculair to their status differing from the rest of england?
They do have their own parliament and their own national day (March 5th) and patron saint (St Piran). had a quick look and although the west saxons seem to have conquered it , then it was lost and not considered part of the territories of the danish kings of england like canute , then it appears to have become a norman duchy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2023 15:32:46 GMT
A mistake by ONE MP refering to a "white van man" displaying St George's flags is not an indication that the Labour Party is anti-English, and it is absurd to suggest that it is.
At the time, Thornberry was heavily criticised by many Labour MPs including the then leader Ed Miliband, she resigned her post in the shadow cabinet over the issue.
I stick totally with my original contention, that SOME people question the patriotic credentials of the Labour Party, and as proven by posters here who have stated that (quote) "Labour hates England", a statement so utterly ridiculous, that only a person of dim intelligence would make.
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