|
|
Post by Steve on Apr 17, 2023 18:56:36 GMT
Pure conjecture. A made up unevidenced story to suit your agenda. What evidence do you have other than your own bile? It is easy enough to find the Guardian's view on what Braverman said whn they called her comments the racism card that the Tories love to play and the Guardian published the BNP members list giving area by area details with names. Did they wonder what would happen to those individuals, did they care, did they think they deserved it. As I said hypocrisy in them thar hills. So you suppose it is only the Guardian calling Braverman wrong. Sandy it very much is not. And anyway you're plain wrong, the Guardian did not publish those names, they and other media incl the DM reported that an ex BNP member Mathew Single had published them and was convicted as a result. Some years later Wikileaks that some praise also published them and IIRC they are still there. |
|
|
|
Post by sandypine on Apr 17, 2023 19:21:27 GMT
It is easy enough to find the Guardian's view on what Braverman said whn they called her comments the racism card that the Tories love to play and the Guardian published the BNP members list giving area by area details with names. Did they wonder what would happen to those individuals, did they care, did they think they deserved it. As I said hypocrisy in them thar hills. So you suppose it is only the Guardian calling Braverman wrong. Sandy it very much is not. And anyway you're plain wrong, the Guardian did not publish those names, they and other media incl the DM reported that an ex BNP member Mathew Single had published them and was convicted as a result. Some years later Wikileaks that some praise also published them and IIRC they are still there. No I gave an example of the evidence you said was not there. Let us be clear the Guardian did not publish the names but it gave an analysis of the data and it said exactly where those names could be found. I suppose that is a major difference in your view. We will not publish a name but if you lift the third book from the left on the first shelf and check the bit of paper in the front dustjacket that is where the name will be found. Yes innocent as not charged. |
|
|
|
Post by Dogburger on Apr 17, 2023 20:17:08 GMT
You can add the Catholic Church to that list The difference is that the Catholic Church does NOT condone child abuse. Those priests who carry out this abuse know perfectly well it's wrong. That's why Catholics in general are not over-represented in this crime. The problem with Islam is that the Koran DOES condone abusing non-muslim women and also sex with children. That's why muslims ARE massively over-represented in this crime. It's the classic culture clash. The muslim culture is fundamentally alien to Western values and we knew that when Blair opened to doors to muslim immigration with the deliberate intention of "rubbing the noses of the Right in diversity". Blair sowed the seeds of the destruction of the English way of life. By 2050 England will be a muslim majority country (at the current rate). Well the Catholic Church has condoned child abuse in its covering it up . They may know its wrong but the 'punishment' has all too often been a transfer to another Parish and a fresh start .(Or have another go and try not to get caught this time ) I dont see a problem with Muslims in general , the problem is with people coming from Third world countries who are not ready to integrate into western societies . Thats the culture clash , not that they follow different prophets . |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2023 1:05:19 GMT
I was responding the Sandypine, not some odious nutcase.  ^ You quote a response to me, make a nasty comment about a 'Steve' and then pretend you weren't trolling me. FFS get a grip Correct, and I made an acccurate post based on observation. Everytime this topic is brought up you move in to trash the thread. You started by trying to derail it by attempting to divert attention to Buddhism, where you want your brady bunch to hate Buddhists and draw attention away from the topic. You intentionally fail to comprehend everything Sandypine is saying, which only makes you look either incredibly dishonest or plain stupid. You enjoy being this odious nutcase and always try and make it all about you, whilst shamelessly playing the victim. You're so dishonest that you even have the audacity to accuse others of trolling and even stalking you.
An opportunity is present for the government to actually address an ongoing issue. For some reason, which is obvious to everyone, you don't want the issue to be touched on. Perhaps you can't handle the fact that you've always been wrong, and that your selfish and depraved trolling is detrimental to the welfare of those real victims, or maybe it's like I said, you just don't give a fuck.
You may now throw your predictable temper tantrum and continue to humiliate yourself. There's obviously no reasoning with you.
|
|
|
|
Post by steppenwolf on Apr 18, 2023 6:25:17 GMT
The difference is that the Catholic Church does NOT condone child abuse. Those priests who carry out this abuse know perfectly well it's wrong. That's why Catholics in general are not over-represented in this crime. The problem with Islam is that the Koran DOES condone abusing non-muslim women and also sex with children. That's why muslims ARE massively over-represented in this crime. It's the classic culture clash. The muslim culture is fundamentally alien to Western values and we knew that when Blair opened to doors to muslim immigration with the deliberate intention of "rubbing the noses of the Right in diversity". Blair sowed the seeds of the destruction of the English way of life. By 2050 England will be a muslim majority country (at the current rate). Well the Catholic Church has condoned child abuse in its covering it up . They may know its wrong but the 'punishment' has all too often been a transfer to another Parish and a fresh start .(Or have another go and try not to get caught this time ) I dont see a problem with Muslims in general , the problem is with people coming from Third world countries who are not ready to integrate into western societies . Thats the culture clash , not that they follow different prophets . All CSE should be dealt with - no matter who the perpetrator is. The problems with muslim CSE are 1) it is condoned in the Koran - and the Prophet himself practised it and 2) because the Koran condones it the followers of Islam regard it as acceptable and 3) the police are reluctant to prosecute it for fear of offending cultural sensitivities. So it's not comparable with the Catholic priest problem - to which none of the above apply. And the fact that other groups also abuse children (though at a much lower rate) does not excuse the muslims' abuse of children. There's also the aggravating factor that the muslims' abuse of children is directed specifically at non-muslims. So it's a religiously aggravated crime. For all these reasons it needs to be called out and investigated. |
|
|
|
Post by sandypine on Apr 18, 2023 8:06:52 GMT
The difference is that the Catholic Church does NOT condone child abuse. Those priests who carry out this abuse know perfectly well it's wrong. That's why Catholics in general are not over-represented in this crime. The problem with Islam is that the Koran DOES condone abusing non-muslim women and also sex with children. That's why muslims ARE massively over-represented in this crime. It's the classic culture clash. The muslim culture is fundamentally alien to Western values and we knew that when Blair opened to doors to muslim immigration with the deliberate intention of "rubbing the noses of the Right in diversity". Blair sowed the seeds of the destruction of the English way of life. By 2050 England will be a muslim majority country (at the current rate). Well the Catholic Church has condoned child abuse in its covering it up . They may know its wrong but the 'punishment' has all too often been a transfer to another Parish and a fresh start .(Or have another go and try not to get caught this time ) I dont see a problem with Muslims in general , the problem is with people coming from Third world countries who are not ready to integrate into western societies . Thats the culture clash , not that they follow different prophets . Many however were born and raised in the UK. So they have not come from a third world culture they have grown up in a British culture, even if that culture originates from a third world country, but Pakistan is a nuclear power so they are a modern culture. A culture is largely predicated on the beliefs and experiences that exist within it and which form its basic principles. You cannot isolate religion from culture nor culture from religion. They shape each other even if one becomes less important. |
|
|
|
Post by ratcliff on Apr 30, 2023 16:23:31 GMT
No one is trying to stop a proper investigation, the concern is 2nd rate politicians and public figures risking horrendous prejudicial acts against innocent people and maybe even lynch mobs by their self serving gutter level tactics trying to get power they in no way deserve. Prejudicial acts against innocent people are commonplace in the name of expose. The BNP member's list which resulted in several beatings and many careers stopped. It is often noticed that exposing 'innocent' people depends very much on who is being exposed and who is doing the exposing. As far as I can see what is being sought is definitive information as regards what is going on, unless of course you are saying there is no problem within a certain community and it is all a load of hogwash. Tom Watson using parliamentary privilege to 'expose' innocent people earned him a Lordship (but he's a lefty so that's OK in leftyland) |
|
