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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 14, 2023 19:43:14 GMT
Well loads of people say it does LOL, superb. |
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Post by Steve on Apr 14, 2023 19:49:45 GMT
If you didn't have such a thick skull you'd see I replied to your highly selective quote Being abusive and intentionally evasive may suggest, to the casual observer, you're on the run. That you have nothing. I will ask once more for you to provide the link you quoted Warsi from. I fucking gave you the link |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 14, 2023 19:50:33 GMT
Being abusive and intentionally evasive may suggest, to the casual observer, you're on the run. That you have nothing. I will ask once more for you to provide the link you quoted Warsi from. I fucking gave you the link Bored. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 14, 2023 19:50:48 GMT
Well loads of people say it does Because they are looking for reasons to attack Braverman as opposed to dealing with the problem. Racism is the easy option, has worked well for twenty years and is still the useful tool. The problem will not go away what has to happen is show beyond doubt that the perceptions held are wrong. There is another aspect the 'Pakistani' gangs seem to be the only ones that choose to go outside their own ethno-religious group in that they choose non Muslim as their victims, Sikhs have noticed this for years but maybe they are racist too. The racial element alone would normally see high level inquiries, there does seem to be a fear of what will turn up if proper investigative stones are rolled over. |
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Post by Steve on Apr 14, 2023 19:52:52 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 14, 2023 19:55:40 GMT
Well loads of people say it does Because they are looking for reasons to attack Braverman as opposed to dealing with the problem. Racism is the easy option, has worked well for twenty years and is still the useful tool. The problem will not go away what has to happen is show beyond doubt that the perceptions held are wrong. There is another aspect the 'Pakistani' gangs seem to be the only ones that choose to go outside their own ethno-religious group in that they choose non Muslim as their victims, Sikhs have noticed this for years but maybe they are racist too. The racial element alone would normally see high level inquiries, there does seem to be a fear of what will turn up if proper investigative stones are rolled over. LOL, what's that? The problem we have here Steve, as if onlookers didn't know, is that you're cherry picking bits from a link that you're loathe to post because you know it proves you wrong. |
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Post by Steve on Apr 14, 2023 19:58:10 GMT
Well loads of people say it does Because they are looking for reasons to attack Braverman as opposed to dealing with the problem. Racism is the easy option, has worked well for twenty years and is still the useful tool. The problem will not go away what has to happen is show beyond doubt that the perceptions held are wrong. There is another aspect the 'Pakistani' gangs seem to be the only ones that choose to go outside their own ethno-religious group in that they choose non Muslim as their victims, Sikhs have noticed this for years but maybe they are racist too. The racial element alone would normally see high level inquiries, there does seem to be a fear of what will turn up if proper investigative stones are rolled over. Why would a conservative peer like Warsi say it if it wasn't true? What has Sunak refused to endorse Braverman's outburst? |
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Post by Steve on Apr 14, 2023 19:58:37 GMT
Because they are looking for reasons to attack Braverman as opposed to dealing with the problem. Racism is the easy option, has worked well for twenty years and is still the useful tool. The problem will not go away what has to happen is show beyond doubt that the perceptions held are wrong. There is another aspect the 'Pakistani' gangs seem to be the only ones that choose to go outside their own ethno-religious group in that they choose non Muslim as their victims, Sikhs have noticed this for years but maybe they are racist too. The racial element alone would normally see high level inquiries, there does seem to be a fear of what will turn up if proper investigative stones are rolled over. LOL, what's that? The problem we have here Steve, as if onlookers didn't know, is that you're cherry picking bits from a link that you're loathe to post because you know it proves you wrong. See post above yours |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 14, 2023 20:00:35 GMT
Ahhh, at last. Well done. Quote from your link... ... In comments following the Rochdale grooming scandal involving nine Muslim men, the Conservative Party co-chairman admitted that race was a factor. She urged Muslim leaders to address the issue and ensure that men who regard white women as 'third class citizens' are isolated by their communities.
Nine Muslim men, mainly of Pakistani origin, were found guilty last week of plying girls as young as 13 with drink and drugs so they could 'pass them around' and use them for sex.
She now calls Braverman a racist? Perhaps she hopes people have forgotten what she said a few years ago. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 14, 2023 20:03:19 GMT
Fuckit fuckit fuckit The wrong link went in, now corrected. Apologies Don't beat yourself up. It happens. |
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Post by Steve on Apr 14, 2023 20:05:21 GMT
No one has denied that there was an appalling problem with some ethnic Pakistani gangs or that it was vastly disproportionate to their numbers in the communities but Braverman chose to say the all embracing 'what we have seen'and go on to label ethnic Pakistanis in response to a point about all sexual abuse.
And she certainnly hasn't gone out of her way to make a clarification has she
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Post by Steve on Apr 14, 2023 20:13:01 GMT
Fuckit fuckit fuckit The wrong link went in, now corrected. Apologies Don't beat yourself up. It happens. I always apologise even when as in this case the cat really is to blame. Having to contort myself and getting back ache posting  |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 14, 2023 20:17:32 GMT
Because they are looking for reasons to attack Braverman as opposed to dealing with the problem. Racism is the easy option, has worked well for twenty years and is still the useful tool. The problem will not go away what has to happen is show beyond doubt that the perceptions held are wrong. There is another aspect the 'Pakistani' gangs seem to be the only ones that choose to go outside their own ethno-religious group in that they choose non Muslim as their victims, Sikhs have noticed this for years but maybe they are racist too. The racial element alone would normally see high level inquiries, there does seem to be a fear of what will turn up if proper investigative stones are rolled over. Why would a conservative peer like Warsi say it if it wasn't true? What has Sunak refused to endorse Braverman's outburst? That a bit obvious Steve becasue she is defending her co religionists and those of her ethnic group. Whether she is justified in doing that is a matter of opinion. Sunak is seeing which way the wind blows. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 14, 2023 20:25:19 GMT
Don't beat yourself up. It happens. I always apologise even when as in this case the cat really is to blame. Having to contort myself and getting back ache posting Ahh the cat ploy, superb. Actually I suppose in the spirit of harmony, I have to say I understand. Our cat likes nothing more than to slob on my desk, her front paws can touch the keyboard which has on occasion caused me some considerable frustration. Not to worry. Btw, that cat looks remarkably like Rædwald! Is there something you would like to tell us?.. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 14, 2023 20:42:12 GMT
No one has denied that there was an appalling problem with some ethnic Pakistani gangs or that it was vastly disproportionate to their numbers in the communities but Braverman chose to say the all embracing 'what we have seen'and go on to label ethnic Pakistanis in response to a point about all sexual abuse. And she certainnly hasn't gone out of her way to make a clarification has she 'What we have seen is a practice whereby...' that practice she describes does indeed exist, she does not say it is the only practice nor does she imply that. She does not need to clarify it says what iot says and only those seeking to make it something else for political reasons are jumping on any crumbs they can to stop the process. We have been here so many times before. |
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