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Post by steppenwolf on Apr 13, 2023 7:15:46 GMT
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"Baroness" Warsi has accused Suella Braverman of racism for pointing out that most of the grooming gangs are Pakistanis. I suppose this should be expected from the muslim woman who has written books that claim most terrorism attacks are perpetrated by the "Far Right" or "White supremacists" and not by islamic jihadists. Terrorism is nothing to do with Islam according to her. And the rape and abuse of young white non-muslim girls has nothing to do with Islam. As an exercise in claiming black is white it's quite a tour de force. But it's fantasy of course. Speaking of Sunak she says: “ He must address the concerns raised by those diverse and varied leaders and organisations who have written him letters in their hundreds calling for an end to this irresponsible and divisive language. His legacy depends on him having the strength to stamp out this rhetoric, and stop it becoming a part of this government’s identity.” I think most people have welcomed Braverman's (and Sunak's) statements that have finally accepted that the Pakistani community has a problem with rape gangs. It's a pity that they haven't had the courage to recognise that it's a problem with Islam, but it's a start. The next thing to do is to slap Warsi down.
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Post by steppenwolf on Apr 14, 2023 7:11:56 GMT
I see that some Tory MPs (e.g. Tobias Elwood) are attacking Braverman for "racist" language - e.g. saying that the grooming gangs are mainly Pakistanis (who she said “hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values”) and calling the boats of illegals an "Invasion". She's also been attacked for criticising the Essex police for confiscating a set of racist dolls (i.e. gollywogs) that had been put on display in the White Hart Inn in Grays.
And Warsi told LBC: “I think the prime minister has to get a really strong message that this kind of rhetoric, whether it’s on small boats, whether it’s the stuff she was saying on the weekend which is not based on evidence, not nuanced, not kind of explanatory in any way, it has got to stop".
I reckon that the vast majority of the public agree entirely with Braverman and welcome her comments as a bit of common sense for a change. So will Sunak slap her down? Or will he exercise a bit of leadership and back up her (completely accurate) comments. We can't keep backing down to the likes of Warsi.
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 14, 2023 8:10:35 GMT
Im sure we all welcome calling a spade a spade and some straight talking but it would help if Braverman got her facts right before speaking . She completely ruined a good story by saying most grooming gangs are Pakistani when clearly that is not the case ,the problem being in reporting and investigating `the crime when it involved Pakistanis under fear of being called out as racist .
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 14, 2023 8:58:09 GMT
Im sure we all welcome calling a spade a spade and some straight talking but it would help if Braverman got her facts right before speaking . She completely ruined a good story by saying most grooming gangs are Pakistani when clearly that is not the case ,the problem being in reporting and investigating `the crime when it involved Pakistanis under fear of being called out as racist . You are wrong, Braverman is correct. The vast majority of grooming gangs in this country certainly since 1975, who have been charged with type 1, the most serious, child sexual exploitation offences (CSE) are made up of British Pakistani's or men of Pakistani heritage. This is not a secret and has been acknowledged by the courts. The only reason this abhorrent crime was allowed to continue for decades is because weak politicians were frightened of naming a notoriously aggresive minority. If you are unaware of this, you have no right contributing to this thread, until you have read up. LABOUR’S COVER-UP: Gordon Brown’s Government ‘Urged’ Police Not To Investigate Grooming Gangs:www.politicalite.com/labour/labours-cover-up-gordon-browns-government-urged-police-not-to-investigate-muslim-grooming-gangs/Rotherham police chief ignored sex abuse of children: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-chief-we-ignored-sex-abuse-of-children-hgrhc358vBritish-Pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang members are Asian:www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/quilliam-grooming-gangs-report-asian-abuse-rotherham-rochdale-newcastle-a8101941.htmlThe Andrew Norfolk archive has many informative links: rotherhampolitics.wordpress.com/child-sexual-exploitation-rotherham-model-documentation-project/the-andrew-norfolk-archive/Grooming gangs Britains shame: (This is 45 minutes so I doubt you will watch it, but you should) youtu.be/VAGk2mvgBEkEasy Meat: Inside the British Grooming Gang Scandal (Be warned you need a strong stomach to read this, it's very upsetting) www.waterstones.com/book/easy-meat/peter-mcloughlin/9781943003068Points to note: The Independent link above says 84% of grooming gang members in this country are 'Asian', this is misleading. 84% are made up of British Pakistanis or men of Pakistani heritage. As far as I'm aware the only Asians who are heavily involved in type 1 CSE offences in this country are Pakistanis, not Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese etc etc, just Pakistanis. Google 'Grooming gangs' and click images, it's all there. People who hand wring and say Most grooming gangs (Who are charged with type 1 CSE offences) are not made up of British Pakistanis are a part of the problem. As I said above this politically correct attitude has allowed this abhorrent crime to continue for decades. |
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Post by Steve on Apr 14, 2023 10:54:05 GMT
Red not all those sources are quality and none back what she literally said and many observers believe she meant to say.
Nobody should bet anything on her still being in post this time next month, she's toxic and Sunak is rumoured to be planning to ditch the evil vacuous bigot.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 14, 2023 11:10:37 GMT
Red not all those sources are quality and none back what she literally said and many observers believe she meant to say. Nobody should bet anything on her still being in post this time next month, she's toxic and Sunak is rumoured to be planning to ditch the evil vacuous bigot. Oh dear, I have this impending sense of deja vu. Steve, Braverman said... ...'White English girls were being pursued, raped, drugged, and harmed by gangs of British Pakistani men'. That is undeniably true. |
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Post by Steve on Apr 14, 2023 11:20:17 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 14, 2023 11:46:22 GMT
You have totally diverted the thread! If you want to discuss Braverman's links to Buddhism start an appropriate thread. This thread is about Braverman's comments ref Pakistani grooming gangs. |
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Post by Steve on Apr 14, 2023 12:01:02 GMT
Actually it's about Tories in ditch the bitch mode.
So the fact that she endorses a religious sect based on the weirdness of a sexual predator is very relevant.
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Post by Steve on Apr 14, 2023 12:02:17 GMT
You have totally diverted the thread! And you'll pretend you've never ever done such?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 12:09:41 GMT
As far as I'm concerned Buddhists would never harm anyone, and if they did then they're not Buddhists.
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Post by Orac on Apr 14, 2023 12:29:56 GMT
Anyone who talks plainly about this issue will be removed from office.
If this is the case, it suggests that large parts of the problem are deeply embedded in government and there needs to be a clear out as a matter of urgency
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Post by Steve on Apr 14, 2023 12:36:51 GMT
Anyone who talks plainly about this issue will be removed from office. If this is the case, it suggests that large parts of the problem are deeply embedded in government and there needs to be a clear out as a matter of urgency It's not that she talks plainly about the issue it's that she plainly goes for dog whistle ethnic stereotyping |
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Post by Steve on Apr 14, 2023 12:38:21 GMT
As far as I'm concerned Buddhists would never harm anyone, and if they did then they're not Buddhists. Maybe not in your eyes but many that the world recognises as followers of Buddhism are indeed very violent. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Apr 14, 2023 12:38:58 GMT
If Sunak doesn't back up Braverman then there's no hope for this country - because we know very well that Labour haven't got the balls to tell the truth.
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