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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 13, 2023 11:20:35 GMT
So what's the difference between the two then? There is no difference. None of the electorate in the UK were asked over either. We didn't need to be asked over genuin cases as the Good ol Brits are always there frose who are in true need. So you say there's no confusion between the two at your end and then say there's no difference. I think that you are confused about whether you are confused or not. Come back to me when you understand the difference between the two, and then we can have a sensible discussion (hopefully without the name calling). |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 13, 2023 11:21:02 GMT
No confusion this end sun shine. Labour always leave their crap behind for others to clear up. Did blair ask anyone in the UK if they wanted all this dross coming to our shores. Its about lime labour startted to own their own shit. Why, in your opinion, are people fleeing oppressive states and fearing for their lives, 'dross'? When did Frogland become oppressive? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 11:21:48 GMT
Small boat crossing has boomed since the Tories got in. They have boomed because we had the balls to leave your beloved EUSSR thanks to the Frogs and the other ringpeices that make up that dictaorship You really are confused. Our government will not............ God I've said this so many times.😒 |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 13, 2023 11:22:04 GMT
There is no difference. None of the electorate in the UK were asked over either. We didn't need to be asked over genuin cases as the Good ol Brits are always there frose who are in true need. So, you are not a 'good old Brit' then? Really sun shine? How many Ukranians do you have living under your roof? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 11:22:33 GMT
Why, in your opinion, are people fleeing oppressive states and fearing for their lives, 'dross'? When did Frogland become oppressive? Question already answered.😔 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 11:23:15 GMT
So, you are not a 'good old Brit' then? Really sun shine? How many Ukranians do you have living under your roof? None - does that make me none british? |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 13, 2023 11:23:25 GMT
When did Frogland become oppressive? Question already answered.😔 When? Did you use invisible ink? |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 13, 2023 11:27:25 GMT
Really sun shine? How many Ukranians do you have living under your roof? None - does that make me none british? But you don't mind others having to do the dirty work and then knock them for it. You keep harping on about those who come here on dinghys as tho they are some kind of asset rather than a total fucking invaision of our shores. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 13, 2023 11:29:02 GMT
There is no difference. None of the electorate in the UK were asked over either. We didn't need to be asked over genuin cases as the Good ol Brits are always there frose who are in true need. So you say there's no confusion between the two at your end and then say there's no difference. I think that you are confused about whether you are confused or not. Come back to me when you understand the difference between the two, and then we can have a sensible discussion (hopefully without the name calling). Ah bless did sun shine pull on your over sensitivity? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 13, 2023 11:39:35 GMT
So you say there's no confusion between the two at your end and then say there's no difference. I think that you are confused about whether you are confused or not. Come back to me when you understand the difference between the two, and then we can have a sensible discussion (hopefully without the name calling). Ah bless did sun shine pull on your over sensitivity? Nope, I'm merely suggesting that if you put as much effort into research as you do to goading people, it may be a little easier to have a political discussion. A good place to start if you want to comment on migration on a political forum would be to understand the difference between freedom of movement for EU citizens and economic migrants / asylum seekers. Then perhaps people may take you more seriously. Saying that you know the difference then claiming that they're the same is somewhat bizarre. Just a thought. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 13, 2023 11:46:48 GMT
Ah bless did sun shine pull on your over sensitivity? Nope, I'm merely suggesting that if you put as much effort into research as you do to goading people, it may be a little easier to have a political discussion. A good place to start if you want to comment on migration on a political forum would be to understand the difference between freedom of movement for EU citizens and economic migrants / asylum seekers. Then perhaps people may take you more seriously. Saying that you know the difference then claiming that they're the same is somewhat bizarre. Just a thought. It may have slipped your attention but the UK are no longer a member of the EUSSR. But it seems that means Jack to other EUSSR members as they steer all their uninvited guests through their own respective countries to impose then on a non member state namely the UK. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 13, 2023 11:51:53 GMT
all their uninvited guests <notes that doesn't address the point and diverts issue> What percentage of migrants who arrive in the EU come to UK? And I'll give you a clue: it's not "all". |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 13, 2023 12:00:29 GMT
This is not just a UK problem or an EU problem but a world wide problem caused by corrupt and ruthless Governments not providing their people , by educating them , helping to provide work and health care , they have lots of well armed troops to deal with them if they protest and ask for help, execute them on many occasions. For years I have seen newsreels from parts of Africa, South America, Middle East etc showing children starving to death for lack of food during times of famine, and endless tribal wars and civil wars, and always stood in the background are well fed soldiers holding AK47's, whilst their well fed leaders are wearing expensive suits driven about it in limousines and top of the range Rolex watches They are the problem I agree but 'we' are blaming the victims of all you describe. If brains and common sense were made of gunpowder , you would not have enough to blow your saddle off, what is with the Royal We crap The UK has been a safe haven for genuine asylum seekers for hundreds of years, but you in your wisdom blame the Tories, outstanding deduction Sherlock. No UK Government to date has ever put in place a sensible Immigration Policy where we can like Australia control who come in or not , people with the skills we are short of would be welcomed unskilled we don't need we have enough youngsters leaving school with little or no educational skills to do that sort of work. Labour under Blair opened the flood gates to Asian economic migrants that is why in my home town English is now the second language, on top of that being in the EU any EU Citizen could just walk in as and when they wanted, that is why we are short of housing and rents are so high and house prices went through the roof. This Government and other previous Government has had to comply with our Laws and Internal Laws Human Rights Act, that is why it is difficult to deport undesirables, foreign criminals that have broken our Laws , and even suspected Terrorists they if we deported them to their country of their birth may be tortured or executed. In order to confirm if those that arrive here unlawfully by any means it is often difficult or impossible to establish where an Asylum or Economic Migrant was born, when , where, and their true name , it may take months to do that and even longer with a country whose Government are not on good terms with the UK. That is why we have roughly 100,000 alleged Asylum Seekers under investigation and their numbers are increasing every week, at this moment in time we cannot process them fast enough to either say yes you can to stay or no out you go. If at the next GE which is not that far off Labour may win if they do, they will have to deal with these applicants via the due process of Law as well |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 13, 2023 12:13:23 GMT
all their uninvited guests <notes that doesn't address the point and diverts issue> What percentage of migrants who arrive in the EU come to UK? And I'll give you a clue: it's not "all". Where am I diverting attention away from the Topic? We are no longer a EUSSR member and it is not our problem any longer. The EUSSR have allowed this to to happen with their idiotic freedom of movement. We do not recognise freedom of movement now as we are no longer a member of their cosy little club. Maybe you could tell us what the percenage of migrants are that first enter the EUSSR and are NOT ushered towards a non member state namely the UK? |
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Post by Toreador on Apr 13, 2023 12:21:18 GMT
Ah bless did sun shine pull on your over sensitivity? Nope, I'm merely suggesting that if you put as much effort into research as you do to goading people, it may be a little easier to have a political discussion. A good place to start if you want to comment on migration on a political forum would be to understand the difference between freedom of movement for EU citizens and economic migrants / asylum seekers. Then perhaps people may take you more seriously. Saying that you know the difference then claiming that they're the same is somewhat bizarre. Just a thought. So you think FoM isn't applicable to economic migrants/asylum seekers. Well technically you may be correct but in practical terms you are hopelessly wrong. Both the above categories are aware they can cross borders within the EU and the borders between the EU and non-EU countries, it's why we've had thousands landing on our shores and Med shores as well as in the backs of lorries from as far away as China. All will have been briefed on the ease of travelling within the EU and the excuses they can offer if caught. |
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