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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 9:52:45 GMT
Starmer should have thought of that when protecting Jimmy Savile when he was the Director of Public Prosecutions. Typical Labour double standard hypocrisy at its finest. Pot calling kettle black springs to mind. Starmer did not protect Savile, and there is no evidence to suggest that he did, except to say that Starmer was in charge of the CPS at the time ... which is not evidence that he attempted to protect Savile. If Britains most successful child abuse prosecutor defends Starmer ( which he has ), then that will do for me Strangely enough, for once I agree with Red Rum, its Labour playing the corrupt Tories at their own game Labour should be better than that if it wants the support of decent people. Joining the Tories in the gutter is a new low, and a mistake. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 9:53:00 GMT
Maybe oneday Starmer's Third Way henchmen will manage to offer an argument that isn't a childish deflection where they blame the Tories.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 9:58:20 GMT
The Tories 'take the moral high ground' that has to be the post of the day.đ It's no wonder you got booted out of Labour. People only get booted out of Labour for believing in something. You can be as free of values as you like, as individually corrupt as you like as long as you keep quiet about it, as ready to get down in the gutter as you like, and it doesn't matter, as long as you are another clone on message. But speak truth to power and stand up for what is right and your days in the party are numbered, your card will be marked. But they haven't had to throw too many of the decent people out. Most of us left of our own accord in disgust. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 10:40:38 GMT
Maybe oneday Starmer's Third Way henchmen will manage to offer an argument that isn't a childish deflection where they blame the Tories. They need policies for that. And at the moment they don't have any. They are actually trying to figure out which ideas sound good to the Sun and Mail readers on focus groups, and figure out something based on that which is also susceptible to good soundbites. The spin is always more important to them than any actual policy. Their main strategy for success right now appears to be saying or doing little positive and just relying on the unpopularity of the Tories to gift it to them. That's why they are mostly attacking the Tories and even getting down in the gutter to do so. Because their entire strategy for success appears to be to make the Tories look bad, rather than themselves look good. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 10:59:10 GMT
Don't get me wrong I dislike Starmer but this has to be the best thing he's done so far.  also the dumbest... If you are going to get dirty you better make sure your record is spotless...  This is where it gets disingenuous and to be blunt DISHONEST Because the "Police, Crime, Courts & Sentencing Act 2022" included a whole host of other measures which MILLIONS of people, including me, opposed. If you wrap Dog Shit around Bacon, then I dont want it - but give me the Bacon on its own, and I will have it Its a thoroughly, and totally dishonest post with a very dishonest poster, and its as simple as that |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 8, 2023 11:13:20 GMT
Ah, so it's all the fault of the Tories that Starmer failed to vote for tougher sentencing...
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 8, 2023 11:17:20 GMT
Sunak was not even an MP - but Starmer was a member of the Sentencing Council at that time, the body which sets sentencing guidelines for crimes against children... God god you just can't stay on track. A council is a number of people working together, no one knows what each individual said.𤣠Oh - so a guy who was on the Committee actually setting the sentencing guidelines is not responsible for them, but a guy who has never been on the Committee and was not even an MP when they were introduced is... ...you get more desperate by the day..  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 11:31:51 GMT
The Tories 'take the moral high ground' that has to be the post of the day.đ I was talking about the right wing press who will hypocritically take the moral high ground now, an opportunity Labour has gifted them. Some of us expect the Tories and their supporters to get down in the gutter and cast aspersions against Starmer, Labour, etc - and some of their supporters on here doing just that in response to this is further evidence that the Tories and their supporters are happy in the gutter. But some of us, in spite of all the lies and betrayals, in spite of all the reasons why we cannot anymore support Labour, still held a residual belief that Labour was better than this. We expect this sort of thing from the Tories and their media friends and supporters. We remember all too well what a job they did on Corbyn. The Tories and their media being in the gutter does not surprise us. That Labour has been prepared to join them there is the ultimate shocker to those of us of morality and standards who were once in the party, and believed in a moral cause. Now I just feel ashamed to have ever been a member, sullied by my past connections with these scumbags. Because let's be clear here. Based on my own local experience, most of those in the party for the right reasons and who truly believe in decency and that there are lines never to be crossed have left the party now. Many of the ones still left are just the type who are happy in the gutter if they think it will bring them power. There is no line these types will not be prepared to cross, no low to which they would not stoop, to get bums on seats in the Commons. I won't have anything to do with them, let alone vote for a party run by them. Labour is now just a morality vacuum, seeking power for its own sake. Both Tories and Labour, equally bad and equally undeserving. Yet we are trapped in a constitutional stitch up that virtually guarantees one of them - and no one else - power. No wonder support for our (semi) democratic system is at such a low ebb, that cynicism is so widespread, that so many believe that they are both as bad as each other, and growing millions see little point in voting at all. The state of our politics and the discredited system it operates in is truly shameful. I agree, but we have what we have and Labour need to work on it. The right-wing and some on the left wing are going nuts over Labours' comment as though only the Conservatives are allowed to twist the truth to suit their needs, they have been doing it for decades. One of the latest is "Labour are fighting to keep foreign criminals in the UK" which is an utter load of bollocks but their red meat supporters believe them. Bring it on Labour you have a wealth of ammunition to work with. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 11:33:23 GMT
also the dumbest... If you are going to get dirty you better make sure your record is spotless... This is where it gets disingenuous and to be blunt DISHONEST Because the "Police, Crime, Courts & Sentencing Act 2022" included a whole host of other measures which MILLIONS of people, including me, opposed. If you wrap Dog Shit around Bacon, then I dont want it - but give me the Bacon on its own, and I will have it Its a thoroughly, and totally dishonest post with a very dishonest poster, and its as simple as that Do you know how each member of the board voted? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 11:33:41 GMT
Ah, so it's all the fault of the Tories that Starmer failed to vote for tougher sentencing... Yup. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 11:33:54 GMT
Ah, so it's all the fault of the Tories that Starmer failed to vote for tougher sentencing... 100% CORRECT - yes Because the tougher sentencing for REAL criminals was within a package containing unacceptable measures, and thats why the poster is dishonest to the extreme, but then we are talking about a thoroughly dishonest government. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 11:34:32 GMT
God god you just can't stay on track. A council is a number of people working together, no one knows what each individual said.𤣠Oh - so a guy who was on the Committee actually setting the sentencing guidelines is not responsible for them, but a guy who has never been on the Committee and was not even an MP when they were introduced is... ...you get more desperate by the day.. Do yu not know how a committee works? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 13:14:58 GMT
God god you just can't stay on track. A council is a number of people working together, no one knows what each individual said.𤣠Oh - so a guy who was on the Committee actually setting the sentencing guidelines is not responsible for them, but a guy who has never been on the Committee and was not even an MP when they were introduced is... ...you get more desperate by the day.. Yeah, but he's a Tory, which to the rabble is like a Shia in a Sunni nation. It's the same mentality where reality isn't nearly as important.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 13:59:20 GMT
âWhatâs the difference between this and what he says every single week about âStarmer voted against tougher sentencesâ, or when he said Keir was âthe friend of people traffickersâ?
âWeâre not prepared to be the mopes anymore, while the Tories say whatever they want".
âTheir entire 13 year record is up for grabs next year - from the horrors of the NHS to the failures on crime.â
Labour has held talks with strategists in the Australian Labor Party, which won last yearâs election in the country, and US President Joe Bidenâs Democratic Party.
âThey told us to ignore the wailings of the people who expect you to be kind losers and fight as viciously as the Conservatives do,â a source said.
Later on Friday, a fresh post on Twitter suggested the Conservative Party is weak on firearms offences.
Using the same format as the heavily-criticised first poster, it asks: âDo you think an adult convicted of possessing a gun with intent to harm should go to prison?â
Before answering, âRishi Sunak doesnâtâ, and adding Sunakâs signature.
Gotta love the Tories getting smashed by their own tactics.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 14:44:57 GMT
Do you have any thoughts of your own?
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