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Post by vlk on Apr 7, 2023 21:45:57 GMT
Labour can only win elections by being a center-party rather than a left party. That was the case with Blair and that is the case with Starmer.
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 7, 2023 22:14:07 GMT
I’m not terribly interested in their rhetoric. Lets stick to a few facts.
My eldest was born in March 1986 and left secondary school on Blair’s watch. She hated the school mainly for its failure to deal with bullying. She chose to continue post 16 education in a further education college pursuing NVQ’s. Unlike some, she enjoyed the environment where your leaning was largely up to you as opposed to being directed.
However, her time at her chosen college was routinely interrupted by police searches of the town and environs for prisoners who escaped from the nearby open prison. Many were violent offenders transferred to the open prison in the later part of their sentence who simply walked out. Barely a fortnight passed without our home receiving a written or emailed warning regarding some escapee who we were assured had no record of sexual offences.
The irony was not lost on us for the first half dozen or so who legged it before this auto-apology system was set up had multiple rapes including rapes of minors on their rap sheet.
And then there was our local MP’s inaction and disinterest in the way MAPPA placed paedophiles in our community without telling the council or the police. Well thats what both tbe police and the council claimed in local papers after one such famously abducted a child from cardiff and brought her to tbe safe house up the road from my home to show his nonce friends how to go about getting in her….
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2023 22:34:18 GMT
Labour can only win elections by being a center-party rather than a left party. That was the case with Blair and that is the case with Starmer. You are almost 100% corrct - except that Labour can only win by been a LEFT of centre political party, not a Centre party. Capitalism is fine, its the only system that works, but it has got to be Compassionate Capitalism, and not the Tory free for all. The "Free Market Economy" is fine, but it has to include Social Justice, which is a principal of the Labour Party, but IS NOT a principle of the Conservative Party. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 8, 2023 6:35:34 GMT
Can't wait to see the right-wing press tomorrow.😂  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 6:58:50 GMT
Poor old Starmer you have to feel for the guy (or maybe not) He fought with so much passion and conviction to get rid of his nemesis Johnson, that he never gave it a thought that his replacement might turn out to be even more of problem. Hence the reason they are now hitting gutter politics, their 'cunning plan' has been a complete failure. Bring back Johnson cries Starmer & Rayner. No but I did not say they didn't and they might have but you have claimed they did.😂 Ok I can't prove "cries" Starmer & Rayner, they might not have cried, but that's the only inaccurate part of the statement. Thank you for your correction. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 7:03:34 GMT
It would appear to be the only way to fight the Tories and their hate rhetoric, they've been doing it to labour for as long as I can remember. They certainly don't like it when Labour do it back and all the 'pearl clutching' starts. The point is it's true, there are convicted child abusers walking the streets and the Tories have done nothing. If you think being in the gutter is the place to be, and indeed you seem to be utterly delighting in it, then any moral high ground you personally may have occupied around here is lost, and you yourself are contemptible. Your support for any particular party is yet another reason for me not to vote for it. I hope this backfires, as it is likely to. A new low for New Labour Lets see, Starmer was not DPP when Savile started sexually assaulting children. Sunak was not PM when courts started not incarcerating child sex offenders. Sounds the same to me. Why is something ok for the Tories but when labour use the same tricks people start pearl clutching. You cannot fight the Tories by being 'nice' they will walk all over you. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 7:04:34 GMT
Can't wait to see the right-wing press tomorrow.😂 All you idiots have done is gift them a chance to take the moral high ground. The Tories 'take the moral high ground' that has to be the post of the day.😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 7:06:53 GMT
When even Labour MP's are coming out against this campaign it makes RedRum look more deranged than he usually does.  I actually agree with you I don't particularly like Labour doing it but I do find the outrage from the Tories rather enjoyable.🤣 Which is what my post is about, not the rights and wrongs. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 7:10:04 GMT
Can't wait to see the right-wing press tomorrow.😂 As expected, Starmer acts like the Tories and the pearl clutching starts, you couldn't make it up.😂 |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 8, 2023 7:11:55 GMT
If you think being in the gutter is the place to be, and indeed you seem to be utterly delighting in it, then any moral high ground you personally may have occupied around here is lost, and you yourself are contemptible. Your support for any particular party is yet another reason for me not to vote for it. I hope this backfires, as it is likely to. A new low for New Labour Lets see, Starmer was not DPP when Savile started sexually assaulting children. Sunak was not PM when courts started not incarcerating child sex offenders.
Sunak was not even an MP - but Starmer was a member of the Sentencing Council at that time, the body which sets sentencing guidelines for crimes against children... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 7:16:42 GMT
All you idiots have done is gift them a chance to take the moral high ground. The Tories 'take the moral high ground' that has to be the post of the day.😂 It's no wonder you got booted out of Labour. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 9:03:25 GMT
Lets see, Starmer was not DPP when Savile started sexually assaulting children. Sunak was not PM when courts started not incarcerating child sex offenders.
Sunak was not even an MP - but Starmer was a member of the Sentencing Council at that time, the body which sets sentencing guidelines for crimes against children... God god you just can't stay on track. A council is a number of people working together, no one knows what each individual said.🤣 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 9:04:19 GMT
The Tories 'take the moral high ground' that has to be the post of the day.😂 It's no wonder you got booted out of Labour. What's this, a lie.😔 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 9:06:02 GMT
Starmer should have thought of that when protecting Jimmy Savile when he was the Director of Public Prosecutions. Typical Labour double standard hypocrisy at its finest. Pot calling kettle black springs to mind. Starmer did not protect Savile, and there is no evidence to suggest that he did, except to say that Starmer was in charge of the CPS at the time ... which is not evidence that he attempted to protect Savile. If Britains most successful child abuse prosecutor defends Starmer ( which he has ), then that will do for me Strangely enough, for once I agree with Red Rum, its Labour playing the corrupt Tories at their own game |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 9:48:56 GMT
All you idiots have done is gift them a chance to take the moral high ground. The Tories 'take the moral high ground' that has to be the post of the day.😂 I was talking about the right wing press who will hypocritically take the moral high ground now, an opportunity Labour has gifted them. Some of us expect the Tories and their supporters to get down in the gutter and cast aspersions against Starmer, Labour, etc - and some of their supporters on here doing just that in response to this is further evidence that the Tories and their supporters are happy in the gutter. But some of us, in spite of all the lies and betrayals, in spite of all the reasons why we cannot anymore support Labour, still held a residual belief that Labour was better than this. We expect this sort of thing from the Tories and their media friends and supporters. We remember all too well what a job they did on Corbyn. The Tories and their media being in the gutter does not surprise us. That Labour has been prepared to join them there is the ultimate shocker to those of us of morality and standards who were once in the party, and believed in a moral cause. Now I just feel ashamed to have ever been a member, sullied by my past connections with these scumbags. Because let's be clear here. Based on my own local experience, most of those in the party for the right reasons and who truly believe in decency and that there are lines never to be crossed have left the party now. Many of the ones still left are just the type who are happy in the gutter if they think it will bring them power. There is no line these types will not be prepared to cross, no low to which they would not stoop, to get bums on seats in the Commons. I won't have anything to do with them, let alone vote for a party run by them. Labour is now just a morality vacuum, seeking power for its own sake. Both Tories and Labour, equally bad and equally undeserving. Yet we are trapped in a constitutional stitch up that virtually guarantees one of them - and no one else - power. No wonder support for our (semi) democratic system is at such a low ebb, that cynicism is so widespread, that so many believe that they are both as bad as each other, and growing millions see little point in voting at all. The state of our politics and the discredited system it operates in is truly shameful. |
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