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Post by see2 on Apr 4, 2023 8:53:41 GMT
Definitely not. The EU is an insular region of the world where it demands to co-govern national democracies. It is an anathema to the nation-state. The UK realises there is a world beyond the EU where trade governs cooperation and not just policies and mad-hatter ideology that beholds the EU. It's time people moved on from their pining of all things EU. It is far too early to even think about rejoining, even then perhaps too much damage has already been done in terms of the UK rejoining. We have missed our golden opportunity to be part of an organisation that has shared values, shared aims for the future, and which shared of a number of basic agreements designed for strengthening the market and for future advancement. (Not for the exaggerated claims of governing member countries, that's just a Brexit whinge). |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 4, 2023 8:55:18 GMT
Definitely not. The EU is an insular region of the world where it demands to co-govern national democracies. It is an anathema to the nation-state. The UK realises there is a world beyond the EU where trade governs cooperation and not just policies and mad-hatter ideology that beholds the EU. It's time people moved on from their pining of all things EU. It is far too early to even think about rejoining, even then perhaps too much damage has already been done in terms of the UK rejoining. We have missed our golden opportunity to be part of an organisation that has shared values, shared aims for the future, and which shared of a number of basic agreements designed for strengthening the market and for future advancement. (Not for the exaggerated claims of governing member countries, that's just a Brexit whinge). In your opinion. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 4, 2023 8:56:34 GMT
Accept that the when the old farts have snuffed it the young ones who voted to remain will be further down the road to be old farts . So, you and your Gammon peers on this forum were in favour of the EU when you were younger? You must have been if you're suggesting that people generally change their minds from what they once believed as they get older. I'm finding it hard to envision the young Jonksy and Fairy wrapped in an EU flag. That doesn’t necessarily follow. It was Sid that pointed out the different views . I pointed out the obvious. You made up something in your head . |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 4, 2023 8:57:21 GMT
It is far too early to even think about rejoining, even then perhaps too much damage has already been done in terms of the UK rejoining. We have missed our golden opportunity to be part of an organisation that has shared values, shared aims for the future, and which shared of a number of basic agreements designed for strengthening the market and for future advancement. (Not for the exaggerated claims of governing member countries, that's just a Brexit whinge). That isn't worth a damb... |
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Post by see2 on Apr 4, 2023 8:58:16 GMT
Einy, my deluded little shirt lifter, what is a gammon? Calling someone a 'gammon' is hate speech........
So too is referring to people as "remnants". |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 4, 2023 8:58:21 GMT
Definitely not. The EU is an insular region of the world where it demands to co-govern national democracies. It is an anathema to the nation-state. The UK realises there is a world beyond the EU where trade governs cooperation and not just policies and mad-hatter ideology that beholds the EU. It's time people moved on from their pining of all things EU. It is far too early to even think about rejoining, even then perhaps too much damage has already been done in terms of the UK rejoining. We have missed our golden opportunity to be part of an organisation that has shared values, shared aims for the future, and which shared of a number of basic agreements designed for strengthening the market and for future advancement. (Not for the exaggerated claims of governing member countries, that's just a Brexit whinge). What are the shared aims for the future? Every time a Brexiteer mentions a stated shared aim for the future all we hear is it is never going to happen. Turkey joining, EU army, Federation, expansion into Middle East and North Africa. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 4, 2023 8:59:33 GMT
That isn't worth a damb... True, but then I remembered arseholes. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 4, 2023 9:01:48 GMT
Millions of itinerant workers from extremely poor East European countries , stagnating wages and undermining job security and safe working practices.
Who shared that value? Certainly not low to medium wage workers .
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Post by Bentley on Apr 4, 2023 9:03:56 GMT
Calling someone a 'gammon' is hate speech........
So too is referring to people as "remnants". Nop. One refers to the remnants of ex remainers who still cling to the EU and the other involves an ethnic element . |
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Post by see2 on Apr 4, 2023 9:07:35 GMT
It is far too early to even think about rejoining, even then perhaps too much damage has already been done in terms of the UK rejoining. We have missed our golden opportunity to be part of an organisation that has shared values, shared aims for the future, and which shared of a number of basic agreements designed for strengthening the market and for future advancement. (Not for the exaggerated claims of governing member countries, that's just a Brexit whinge). In your opinion. We had 40 odd years of "golden opportunity" and it led to little. The fact that UK governments had the vast control of the UK economy over the last "40 odd years" is, if anything, what "led to little". Being a member of the EU didn't stop Germany from flourishing, so your comment stands for 'very little'. Si I think my "opinion" still stands. |
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Post by Einhorn on Apr 4, 2023 9:16:07 GMT
So too is referring to people as "remnants". Nop. One refers to the remnants of ex remainers who still cling to the EU and the other involves an ethnic element . In which case, derogatory remarks about gingers are also racist. So are jokes about blondes. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 4, 2023 9:20:50 GMT
Nop. One refers to the remnants of ex remainers who still cling to the EU and the other involves an ethnic element . In which case, derogatory remarks about gingers are also racist. So are jokes about blondes. They can be . Possibly not for people who dye their hair blond or red. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 4, 2023 9:23:07 GMT
Millions of itinerant workers from extremely poor East European countries , stagnating wages and undermining job security and safe working practices. Who shared that value? Certainly not low to medium wage workers . You ignore the underlying problem of the thousands of firms of all sizes that were destroyed and never replaced in the 1980s. Thus creating the need for the Minimum Wage for shelf fillers and those in 'Mac Jobs'. (A problem it seems that the UK is about to be forced to resolve.) "Who shared that value?" not me, and not many others according the huge fall in unemployment, and certainly not the skilled, the professional or the self employed migrants. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 4, 2023 9:23:56 GMT
In your opinion. We had 40 odd years of "golden opportunity" and it led to little. The fact that UK governments had the vast control of the UK economy over the last "40 odd years" is, if anything, what "led to little". Being a member of the EU didn't stop Germany from flourishing, so your comment stands for 'very little'. Si I think my "opinion" still stands. The UK isn’t Germany . |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 4, 2023 9:25:16 GMT
Millions of itinerant workers from extremely poor East European countries , stagnating wages and undermining job security and safe working practices. Who shared that value? Certainly not low to medium wage workers . You ignore the underlying problem of the thousands of firms of all sizes that were destroyed and never replaced in the 1980s. Thus creating the need for the Minimum Wage for shelf fillers and those in 'Mac Jobs'. (A problem it seems that the UK is about to be forced to resolve.) "Who shared that value?" not me, and not many others according the huge fall in unemployment, and certainly not the skilled, the professional or the self employed migrants. Nothing you posted refutes my point . |
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