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Post by jonksy on Apr 3, 2023 19:45:56 GMT
Another ex remainer longing for the past. A mountain of salt from remnants tears...
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 3, 2023 19:50:02 GMT
We are never going to rejoin on the terms we left on. I agree. But those who want to rejoin hated the fact we had those exceptions and opt outs at all. They want us in, committed to the Euro and Schengen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 21:16:58 GMT
There should be a third option. "Don't know". There must be someone out there.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 3, 2023 21:22:34 GMT
I never understood why people in favour of EU membership were against membership of the Euro and Schengen - what is the point of belonging to a 'club' if you are not going to take part in half of it. If you dont want full EU membership then the obvious place to be is EEA or EFTA. We have always been the same, or rather our governments have. The Major government fought tooth and nail for an opt out to the Social Chapter in defence of exploitative employers, only for Labour a few years later to adopt it in full with mostly positive effects as intended. But Labour too then kept us out of the Euro. Blair wanted us in but Brown was far more dubious so he set up a number of almost impossible conditions to be achieved before joining to make sure we never did. So we opted out of the Euro too, though at least were not entirely alone in doing so this time. Any rejoining that ever occurs will be conditional upon us going the whole hog and not causing problems or seeking an endless succession of opt outs. Either we will be fully in as never before - no ifs and no buts - or we will remain outside. That is the inherent difficulty rejoiners will have in arguing for their case. We will not be allowed back in on the favourable terms we had before but will have to be in on everything, Euro and Schengen included. But that is my problem. If you believe in the EU as a project (and I fully understand the logic behind it) - why do you think that not taking part in some of its most important aspects is a 'favourable term'? . What you are suggesting is that the EU ideal is not a good idea - in that case welcome to the club.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 3, 2023 21:25:43 GMT
We are never going to rejoin on the terms we left on. I agree. But those who want to rejoin hated the fact we had those exceptions and opt outs at all. They want us in, committed to the Euro and Schengen. Which is a perfectly rational idea. If you believe in the concept of ever closer union then a joint currency and the removal of borders makes perfect sense. If you dont believe in the concept of ever closer union why do you want to join the EU in the first place - makes no sense.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 22:25:12 GMT
One very stark and very obvious fact arose from the EU Referendum, and that was the huge difference of opinion between young people and older people.
Based upon that fact, I have always concluded that its fairly obvious that given time ( when the old farts have snuffed it ), the UK will eventually rejoin the European Union.
In the 18 - 24 age group, the REMAIN vote was 73%, in the 25 to 34 age group 63% in favour of REMAIN
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Post by jonksy on Apr 3, 2023 22:28:39 GMT
One very stark and very obvious fact arose from the EU Referendum, and that was the huge difference of opinion between young people and older people. Based upon that fact, I have always concluded that its fairly obvious that given time ( when the old farts have snuffed it ), the UK will eventually rejoin the European Union. In the 18 - 24 age group, the REMAIN vote was 73%, in the 25 to 34 age group 63% in favour of REMAIN Straight out of the remnants book of bullshit.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 3, 2023 22:32:56 GMT
One very stark and very obvious fact arose from the EU Referendum, and that was the huge difference of opinion between young people and older people. Based upon that fact, I have always concluded that its fairly obvious that given time ( when the old farts have snuffed it ), the UK will eventually rejoin the European Union. In the 18 - 24 age group, the REMAIN vote was 73%, in the 25 to 34 age group 63% in favour of REMAIN Accept that the when the old farts have snuffed it the young ones who voted to remain will be further down the road to be old farts .
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Post by Bentley on Apr 3, 2023 22:34:24 GMT
One very stark and very obvious fact arose from the EU Referendum, and that was the huge difference of opinion between young people and older people. Based upon that fact, I have always concluded that its fairly obvious that given time ( when the old farts have snuffed it ), the UK will eventually rejoin the European Union. In the 18 - 24 age group, the REMAIN vote was 73%, in the 25 to 34 age group 63% in favour of REMAIN Straight out of the remnants book of bullshit. It’s called desperation.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 3, 2023 22:45:56 GMT
Straight out of the remnants book of bullshit. It’s called desperation. LOL But they think it's original...Is there anything they state that we haven't heard a thousand times before?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 22:48:00 GMT
No its not bullshit or desperation at all, its a stark difference of the opinions of younger people and older people.
Older people tend to still have this crazy xenophobic attitude, whereas younger people see things differently, its called "progression".
I mean, even without the huge differences of opinion between young and old, every opinion poll for the last five years shows that there is now a majority in favour of EU membership.
THe Brexiteers merely won a battle, but the war is not over, and I believe that in the end the UK will rejoin the European Union, I am convinced of it.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 3, 2023 22:49:54 GMT
One very stark and very obvious fact arose from the EU Referendum, and that was the huge difference of opinion between young people and older people. Based upon that fact, I have always concluded that its fairly obvious that given time ( when the old farts have snuffed it ), the UK will eventually rejoin the European Union. In the 18 - 24 age group, the REMAIN vote was 73%, in the 25 to 34 age group 63% in favour of REMAIN So the older one gets, the less in favour one is. But you've overlooked that all of those youngsters will eventually be oldsters.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 3, 2023 22:53:15 GMT
No its not bullshit or desperation at all, its a stark difference of the opinions of younger people and older people. Older people tend to still have this crazy xenophobic attitude, whereas younger people see things differently, its called "progression". I mean, even without the huge differences of opinion between young and old, every opinion poll for the last five years shows that there is now a majority in favour of EU membership. THe Brexiteers merely won a battle, but the war is not over, and I believe that in the end the UK will rejoin the European Union, I am convinced of it. It's total bullshit and is just DESPERATION at it's best....I beleive I may become the pope one day......LOL
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 22:58:35 GMT
The Squeezed Middle > "So the older one gets, the less in favour one is. But you've overlooked that all of those youngsters will eventually be oldsters."
Surely you are not attempting to say that the older people get, they will change their views ?, thats a really very odd assumption to make.
Younger people have always driven change, its called "progression", younger people see the benefits of a wider view of the world, they tend not to be insular, and our tomorrow is their choosing.
Brexit for now, but not in the future
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Post by jonksy on Apr 3, 2023 23:03:43 GMT
The Squeezed Middle > "So the older one gets, the less in favour one is. But you've overlooked that all of those youngsters will eventually be oldsters." Surely you are not attempting to say that the older people get, they will change their views ?, thats a really very odd assumption to make. Younger people have always driven change, its called "progression", younger people see the benefits of a wider view of the world, they tend not to be insular, and our tomorrow is their choosing. Brexit for now, but not in the future It's called wishfull thinking the EUSSR won't be here then so how will that work out? The EUSSR was in decline and sinking into the morass they had created long before Brexit came along.
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