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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 13:01:23 GMT
If a referendum were to be held now asking whether or not we should attempt to rejoin the EU, how would you vote? Yes or no?
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 3, 2023 13:19:37 GMT
If a referendum were to be held now asking whether or not we should attempt to rejoin the EU, how would you vote? Yes or no? Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, get in the bin you muppet. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 13:22:02 GMT
If a referendum were to be held now asking whether or not we should attempt to rejoin the EU, how would you vote? Yes or no? Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, get in the bin you muppet. Afraid of a mere forum poll? I have not even expressed an opinion. You are free to either vote in it or ignore it. I don't actually care |
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 3, 2023 14:28:41 GMT
We are never going to rejoin on the terms we left on and would find ourselves in an even worse position both when we were members and where we are now . It would be the worst of all the roads to go down to attempt to rejoin .
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 3, 2023 14:32:40 GMT
We are never going to rejoin on the terms we left on and would find ourselves in an even worse position both when we were members and where we are now . It would be the worst of all the roads to go down to attempt to rejoin . Well said Dogburger ( Dogburger lol) welcome to the forum. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 3, 2023 16:25:34 GMT
If a referendum were to be held now asking whether or not we should attempt to rejoin the EU, how would you vote? Yes or no? on what terms? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 16:55:57 GMT
If a referendum were to be held now asking whether or not we should attempt to rejoin the EU, how would you vote? Yes or no? on what terms? They would have to be negotiated but are unlikely to be as favourable as the ones we had. Would you consider rejoining on any terms we could conceivably get? I would be surprised if you said yes. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 3, 2023 17:00:36 GMT
They would have to be negotiated but are unlikely to be as favourable as the ones we had. Would you consider rejoining on any terms we could conceivably get? I would be surprised if you said yes. Well I personally wouldn't vote for it, but if it means the UK taking on the Euro and joining Schengen then it would make more sense than where we were last time. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 17:25:15 GMT
They would have to be negotiated but are unlikely to be as favourable as the ones we had. Would you consider rejoining on any terms we could conceivably get? I would be surprised if you said yes. Well I personally wouldn't vote for it, but if it means the UK taking on the Euro and joining Schengen then it would make more sense than where we were last time. I suspect that if we were to seek to rejoin, adopting the Euro and Schengen would probably be non-negotiable conditions of our re-entry. There would be no more opt outs for us. This would become clear before any referendum. Brexiteers will make sure that it is as would probably the EU. It will be all in with no opt outs or not in at all. I do suspect that Starmer if elected will attempt to align us far more closely with the EU, probably as part of some sort of customs union involving the free movement of goods. This of course would make it a little easier to rejoin fully at a later date which is highly likely to be his end goal, though he'll never tell us that before being elected. Whether he will also come to some preliminary arrangement involving the free movement of people and not just goods I am less sure about but it would not surprise me if he did. What would astonish me though given his track record, is if he told us any of that before or during an election. If asked he'd deny it, even if he was determined to do it once in power. Those of us who were once party members and whose votes he once sought in a leadership contest are all too familiar with his modus operandi of dishonesty and deceit just to get elected, and only revealing his true intentions once in power. |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 3, 2023 17:30:51 GMT
Yeah right, after we have weathered every storm they could create between them, they can jog on.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 3, 2023 17:35:09 GMT
Well I personally wouldn't vote for it, but if it means the UK taking on the Euro and joining Schengen then it would make more sense than where we were last time. I suspect that if we were to seek to rejoin, adopting the Euro and Schengen would probably be non-negotiable conditions of our re-entry. There would be no more opt outs for us. This would become clear before any referendum. Brexiteers will make sure that it is as would probably the EU. It will be all in with no opt outs or not in at all. I never understood why people in favour of EU membership were against membership of the Euro and Schengen - what is the point of belonging to a 'club' if you are not going to take part in half of it. If you dont want full EU membership then the obvious place to be is EEA or EFTA. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 17:48:30 GMT
I suspect that if we were to seek to rejoin, adopting the Euro and Schengen would probably be non-negotiable conditions of our re-entry. There would be no more opt outs for us. This would become clear before any referendum. Brexiteers will make sure that it is as would probably the EU. It will be all in with no opt outs or not in at all. I never understood why people in favour of EU membership were against membership of the Euro and Schengen - what is the point of belonging to a 'club' if you are not going to take part in half of it. If you dont want full EU membership then the obvious place to be is EEA or EFTA. We have always been the same, or rather our governments have. The Major government fought tooth and nail for an opt out to the Social Chapter in defence of exploitative employers, only for Labour a few years later to adopt it in full with mostly positive effects as intended. But Labour too then kept us out of the Euro. Blair wanted us in but Brown was far more dubious so he set up a number of almost impossible conditions to be achieved before joining to make sure we never did. So we opted out of the Euro too, though at least were not entirely alone in doing so this time. Any rejoining that ever occurs will be conditional upon us going the whole hog and not causing problems or seeking an endless succession of opt outs. Either we will be fully in as never before - no ifs and no buts - or we will remain outside. That is the inherent difficulty rejoiners will have in arguing for their case. We will not be allowed back in on the favourable terms we had before but will have to be in on everything, Euro and Schengen included. |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 3, 2023 18:26:55 GMT
How amusing 71.45% is about the same as those ignoring the Westminster party.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 3, 2023 18:39:18 GMT
Another ex remainer longing for the past.
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 3, 2023 19:42:52 GMT
We are never going to rejoin on the terms we left on. I agree. But those who want to rejoin hated the fact we had those exceptions and opt outs at all. They want us in, committed to the Euro and Schengen. |
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