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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 20:10:12 GMT
Renewables have been getting cheaper year on year. They offer not only a solution to AGW but energy security (Not relying on Putin for Gas or the bloody Arabs  As for what the public want, you are the one out of step piltdown man. Renewables are great when the sun is shining, or the wind is blowing. In a cloudy winter anticyclone there's not much of either. Nuclear is the reliable clean option, but we should have built more years ago. Tidal barriers are also reliable, but hugely expensive and ecologically questionable if blocking an estuary such as the Severn. Fracking would help make us more energy resilient. Gas is not a fossil fuel. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2022 20:20:48 GMT
Renewables have been getting cheaper year on year. They offer not only a solution to AGW but energy security (Not relying on Putin for Gas or the bloody Arabs As for what the public want, you are the one out of step piltdown man. Renewables are great when the sun is shining, or the wind is blowing. In a cloudy winter anticyclone there's not much of either. Nuclear is the reliable clean option, but we should have built more years ago. Tidal barriers are also reliable, but hugely expensive and ecologically questionable if blocking an estuary such as the Severn. Fracking would help make us more energy resilient. Gas is not a fossil fuel. Well said that man, sexist assumption, I care not a jot  |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 27, 2022 20:26:04 GMT
ZG, in April Boris was considering scrapping the green levy, which as you know subsidises renewables because they're expensive, and in turn increase peoples fuel bills. Sunak (As chancellor) said he understood the strength of feeling in the party and that scrapping the levy was an “attractive option.” We'll see. The green levy subsidises development of renewables to help them complete with existing energy production that was already paid for. I guarantee they wont scrap the green levy, though now that wind and solar have reached economic viability they might reduce them. Further the green levy is currently unnecessary as renewables are sold at same price as gas, which means they are raking it in. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 27, 2022 20:26:15 GMT
Something you seldom let yourself get bogged down with. What a quip, your best yet. LOL!  |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 27, 2022 20:27:34 GMT
Renewables have been getting cheaper year on year. They offer not only a solution to AGW but energy security (Not relying on Putin for Gas or the bloody Arabs As for what the public want, you are the one out of step piltdown man. Renewables are great when the sun is shining, or the wind is blowing. In a cloudy winter anticyclone there's not much of either. Nuclear is the reliable clean option, but we should have built more years ago. Tidal barriers are also reliable, but hugely expensive and ecologically questionable if blocking an estuary such as the Severn. Fracking would help make us more energy resilient. Gas is not a fossil fuel. You are a long way behind the curve. Perhaps you could read up where renewables are today. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 20:34:36 GMT
Renewables are great when the sun is shining, or the wind is blowing. In a cloudy winter anticyclone there's not much of either. Nuclear is the reliable clean option, but we should have built more years ago. Tidal barriers are also reliable, but hugely expensive and ecologically questionable if blocking an estuary such as the Severn. Fracking would help make us more energy resilient. Gas is not a fossil fuel. You are a long way behind the curve. Perhaps you could read up where renewables are today. Perhaps you should post sense instead of trying to allude that I am wrong, when I am not. Put up or shut up. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 27, 2022 20:41:33 GMT
You are a long way behind the curve. Perhaps you could read up where renewables are today. Perhaps you should post sense instead of trying to allude that I am wrong, when I am not. Put up or shut up. Nope. If you're not interested enough to stay up to date, then its not my job to correct you. Experience on forums has taught me not to waste my time on those who have closed minds. There are enough others interested in debate. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2022 20:50:07 GMT
ZG, in April Boris was considering scrapping the green levy, which as you know subsidises renewables because they're expensive, and in turn increase peoples fuel bills. Sunak (As chancellor) said he understood the strength of feeling in the party and that scrapping the levy was an “attractive option.” We'll see. The green levy subsidises development of renewables to help them complete with existing energy production that was already paid for. I guarantee they wont scrap the green levy, though now that wind and solar have reached economic viability they might reduce them. Further the green levy is currently unnecessary as renewables are sold at same price as gas, which means they are raking it in. Sounds fantastic. What with all this wonderfully cheap renewable energy it makes me wonder why so many people are in fuel poverty and Germany are lighting up mothballed coal fired power stations. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 27, 2022 21:41:49 GMT
The green levy subsidises development of renewables to help them complete with existing energy production that was already paid for. I guarantee they wont scrap the green levy, though now that wind and solar have reached economic viability they might reduce them. Further the green levy is currently unnecessary as renewables are sold at same price as gas, which means they are raking it in. Sounds fantastic. What with all this wonderfully cheap renewable energy it makes me wonder why so many people are in fuel poverty and Germany are lighting up mothballed coal fired power stations. Yes - we keep getting told how cheap energy from renewables is and yet we currently have the highest amount of our energy supplied by renewables and the prices are crippling.. It was cheaper when had tens of thousands of guys underground digging coal out by hand.. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 27, 2022 21:46:52 GMT
Sounds fantastic. What with all this wonderfully cheap renewable energy it makes me wonder why so many people are in fuel poverty and Germany are lighting up mothballed coal fired power stations. Yes - we keep getting told how cheap energy from renewables is and yet we currently have the highest amount of our energy supplied by renewables and the prices are crippling.. It was cheaper when had tens of thousands of guys underground digging coal out by hand.. Blame your government. They wont split renewable fees from those of Russian gas. Be interesting to see if you can be honest on this. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 27, 2022 21:48:30 GMT
Yes - we keep getting told how cheap energy from renewables is and yet we currently have the highest amount of our energy supplied by renewables and the prices are crippling.. It was cheaper when had tens of thousands of guys underground digging coal out by hand.. Blame your government. They wont split renewable fees from those of Russian gas. Be interesting to see if you can be honest on this. "your government"? - my government are not in power, if they were energy prices would be a lot lower.. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 27, 2022 21:58:17 GMT
Blame your government. They wont split renewable fees from those of Russian gas. Be interesting to see if you can be honest on this. "your government"? - my government are not in power, if they were energy prices would be a lot lower.. Your government as in the one governing your country. I.E its not the cost of renewables, its the binding to those extortionate gas prices. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 27, 2022 22:08:01 GMT
perhaps we need to take lessons from the Germans..  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2022 22:43:54 GMT
Sounds fantastic. What with all this wonderfully cheap renewable energy it makes me wonder why so many people are in fuel poverty and Germany are lighting up mothballed coal fired power stations. Yes - we keep getting told how cheap energy from renewables is and yet we currently have the highest amount of our energy supplied by renewables and the prices are crippling.. It was cheaper when had tens of thousands of guys underground digging coal out by hand.. And there's another story. Lea Hall Colliery in Rugeley [Google] opened in 1960, it was a state of the art pit and very productive. It provided coal for Rugeley A and B power stations via conveyer belts. No transport involved. After just 30 years the colliery closed in 1990, it was a new modern and productive colliery, but the fashion was turning against coal. It was all political virtue signalling. Think about this, the colliery that supplied Rugeley B power station with coal closed in 1990. But Rugeley B didn't close until 2016. So where did we get coal from? That's right, from countries where miners died on a daily basis, mainly Columbia, Russia and Indonesia. The idiots in charge and I mean political idiots, knew that on an environmental level shipping coal from the other side of the world was a disaster, but a UK pit had closed and that looked good, and that was all that mattered. So for 26 years Rugeley B burnt 9000 tonnes a day of mainly Columbian coal when we could have been 100% self sufficient. Energy policy in this country is incompetent on a level that's almost unbelievable and that's because politicians come and go, they are never held to account. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 27, 2022 22:56:13 GMT
Renewables have been getting cheaper year on year. They offer not only a solution to AGW but energy security (Not relying on Putin for Gas or the bloody Arabs As for what the public want, you are the one out of step piltdown man. Renewables are great when the sun is shining, or the wind is blowing. In a cloudy winter anticyclone there's not much of either. Nuclear is the reliable clean option, but we should have built more years ago. Tidal barriers are also reliable, but hugely expensive and ecologically questionable if blocking an estuary such as the Severn. Fracking would help make us more energy resilient. Gas is not a fossil fuel. Good points except how do you work out gas is not a fossil fuel,it is. |
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