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Post by dappy on Oct 20, 2022 10:01:25 GMT
Arguably for the Reform thread but that seems to have morphed into refighting the 2016 referendum.
Farage is active on the airways exploring a potential return to party politics - presumably through Reform. He would only do it with support from other senior politicians - Braverman? Rees Mogg? Badenoch? Frost? and the newspaper barons ( presumably the Express and Murdoch. It seems he will be advocating almost exactly the same policies that Truss so badly came unstuck on.
Seems a hell of a gamble for any politician to defect to a party lead by Farage (presumably Tice steps aside) so feels unlikely but in todays weird world who knows?
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 20, 2022 10:18:35 GMT
Farage would be ok but he has no staying power, he no sooner starts one political party then he quits and goes missing.
He would probably have a big gathering if he didn't keep going missing for long periods of time, people want stability, not someone who comes and goes.
I like the guy.
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Post by piglet on Oct 20, 2022 12:16:06 GMT
He does have the intuition needed for a good ploitician, he can see things coming before it happens. Fairsociety is right though, he needs to commit. We need a new conservative party, will he put his shoulder too it? Who knows. Thats where his problem lies. Maybe he knows that in time, everything becomes wrong as things change constantly. That makes it ego.
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Post by sandypine on Oct 20, 2022 13:45:31 GMT
Farage himself says you need a few big political figures and they can only come from the current Tory party. In the absence of those figures helping a new party then it will probably be stillborn.
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Post by Toreador on Oct 20, 2022 14:02:36 GMT
Farage would be ok but he has no staying power, he no sooner starts one political party then he quits and goes missing.
He would probably have a big gathering if he didn't keep going missing for long periods of time, people want stability, not someone who comes and goes. I like the guy. The length of time and commitment to fight the EU says the above isn't true. UKIP was on its knees long before Farage left and it's still on its knees. The Brexit Party no longer had a place in politics after the referendum. He's never run away, he's still Chairman of Reform UK but he has to earn a living. There was never a better moment for his return to the front line. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 20, 2022 14:09:23 GMT
Arguably for the Reform thread but that seems to have morphed into refighting the 2016 referendum. Yes, this is all about Brexit. Both the Tories and Labour want to rejoin the EU by stealth. There were always fault lines in the Tories regarding the EU and - with the help of the BBC and the powerful Left wing establishment they're going to try to push the Brexit MPs out. Boris was the big obstacle but he's gone. Truss is a pushover anyway. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 20, 2022 14:13:16 GMT
We had one compulsive lier from the exit EU campaign we don't need another in Forage
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Post by Toreador on Oct 20, 2022 14:14:47 GMT
We had one compulsive lier from the exit EU campaign we don't need another in Forage Who was that? |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 20, 2022 14:32:25 GMT
We had one compulsive lier from the exit EU campaign we don't need another in Forage Who was that? Borris the lier |
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Post by Toreador on Oct 20, 2022 14:55:02 GMT
Boris was a remainer at heart, that's why settled for a crap deal with the EU. |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 20, 2022 15:00:39 GMT
I was listening to him yesterday and he was saying it is pointless without PR.
Let's see how many people that have been crying for PR will still want it if Labour are assured a landslide... I suspect none lol.
If you truly want PR then you should be hoping the Tories than hold off the GE for 2 years, and potentially close the gap a little to avoid a Labour landslide. There is zero chance of PR if Labour wins by a landslide.
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Post by dappy on Oct 20, 2022 17:24:28 GMT
I’m a long term advocate of PR. Still will be after the next election. I have never had a vote that could possibly matter. That’s not democracy.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 20, 2022 17:32:14 GMT
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 20, 2022 17:53:42 GMT
It doesn't matter what conference say, Labour have their own "world king" in Starmer. There is no way he will go for PR when he is looking at a decade of having a majority. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 20, 2022 17:56:53 GMT
The Labour Party in Opposition is always very keen on PR - however that keenness disappears when they win a majority.. |
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