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Post by see2 on Oct 21, 2022 11:06:39 GMT
No. The reason we got a crap deal is because 75% of MPs are remainers and Parliament tried to stop Brexit happening - even the Speaker tried to prevent Brexit, and of course the BBC campaigned non-stop to prevent Brexit. Boris's task was Herculean and I think he did a great job in the circumstances. I tend to agree - Johnson got the best deal that Parliament would allow. That's interesting, can you explain which part of a deal parliament would not allow? |
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Post by Toreador on Oct 21, 2022 11:07:30 GMT
No. The reason we got a crap deal is because 75% of MPs are remainers and Parliament tried to stop Brexit happening - even the Speaker tried to prevent Brexit, and of course the BBC campaigned non-stop to prevent Brexit. Boris's task was Herculean and I think he did a great job in the circumstances. I tend to agree - Johnson got the best deal that Parliament would allow. No deal would have been better, it's still costing us plenty of money. |
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Post by Toreador on Oct 21, 2022 11:11:17 GMT
Boris was a remainer at heart, that's why settled for a crap deal with the EU. Which appears to be your opinion, he was one of the main figures that helped Brexit to happen. Incidentally the other main liar or insinuator of lies on Brexit was Farage. It is in my experience, the sort of approach expected from many Right Wingers. If you would just stop peering from your far left narrow slit. |
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Post by Toreador on Oct 21, 2022 11:13:58 GMT
Farage would be ok but he has no staying power, he no sooner starts one political party then he quits and goes missing. He would probably have a big gathering if he didn't keep going missing for long periods of time, people want stability, not someone who comes and goes. I like the guy. Tell me something. The subject of the thread is Farage itching to return. What is this Little Englander out and out right wing fascist returning to. He is a seven times loser. Thankfully the sensible element in England saw him for what he was. And both he and Johnston bought and sold England with Russian gangster gold. The result of which are now coming to fruition. What do you like about this fascist creep who aligns himself with far right nut jobs across Europe. Even having din dins with the Grand daughter of Hitler's cronies. I suggest you listen to the first link. Then tell me what you like about this dangerous racist.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyYoL9ngtE&ab_channel=LBCwww.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/09/revealed-detail-of-exclusive-russian-deal-offered-to-arron-banks-in-brexit-run-upWhy are you biased against the most accomplished party leader in Britain? |
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Post by see2 on Oct 21, 2022 11:42:11 GMT
Which appears to be your opinion, he was one of the main figures that helped Brexit to happen. Incidentally the other main liar or insinuator of lies on Brexit was Farage. It is in my experience, the sort of approach expected from many Right Wingers. If you would just stop peering from your far left narrow slit. I have never been far left and that is Never Ever.  Clearly you have a rather limited perception of my political position so let me make it clear; 1. My political beliefs are mainly from the Centre-Left. 2. I have a healthy dislike for both 'Far Left' AND 'Far Right' Politics. Perhaps next you won't get things so wrong if you reply to the contents of my post instead of looking for a 'put down' of me. |
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Post by jaydee on Oct 21, 2022 11:55:18 GMT
Tell me something. The subject of the thread is Farage itching to return. What is this Little Englander out and out right wing fascist returning to. He is a seven times loser. Thankfully the sensible element in England saw him for what he was. And both he and Johnston bought and sold England with Russian gangster gold. The result of which are now coming to fruition. What do you like about this fascist creep who aligns himself with far right nut jobs across Europe. Even having din dins with the Grand daughter of Hitler's cronies. I suggest you listen to the first link. Then tell me what you like about this dangerous racist.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyYoL9ngtE&ab_channel=LBCwww.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/09/revealed-detail-of-exclusive-russian-deal-offered-to-arron-banks-in-brexit-run-upWhy are you biased against the most accomplished party leader in Britain? For the very reason I gave. Why did you ask.. are you into fascists |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 21, 2022 12:38:39 GMT
Maybe you could tell me one of the "Lies" that Farage told about Brexit. I can't think of any. If you're thinking of the "£350 million claim on the bus" then you're wrong because that was nothing to do with Farage. That was Vote Leave - different campaign. And the biggest lie told about Brexit was told by the Remain campaign. You probably don't even know which it was. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 21, 2022 12:46:21 GMT
I tend to agree - Johnson got the best deal that Parliament would allow. That's interesting, can you explain which part of a deal parliament would not allow? You obviously didn't follow this very closely. Parliament forbade the UK to leave without signing the withdrawal agreement. The UK had no need to sign any withdrawal agreement - or pay the EU any money to leave. That's what the ludicrous May agreed and which Parliament enshrined in law. Any member of the EU can leave without any agreement from the EU. Parliament also agreed the "Benn Act" - otherwise called the "surrender act" - where the UK had to extend our membership of the EU until a withdrawal agreement acceptable to the EU was signed. Like I said, the MPs were determined to prevent the UK leaving - even by dubious means such as the opposition taking control of the agenda. |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 21, 2022 13:03:35 GMT
Farage would be ok but he has no staying power, he no sooner starts one political party then he quits and goes missing. He would probably have a big gathering if he didn't keep going missing for long periods of time, people want stability, not someone who comes and goes. I like the guy. Tell me something. The subject of the thread is Farage itching to return. What is this Little Englander out and out right wing fascist returning to. He is a seven times loser. Thankfully the sensible element in England saw him for what he was. And both he and Johnston bought and sold England with Russian gangster gold. The result of which are now coming to fruition. What do you like about this fascist creep who aligns himself with far right nut jobs across Europe. Even having din dins with the Grand daughter of Hitler's cronies. I suggest you listen to the first link. Then tell me what you like about this dangerous racist.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyYoL9ngtE&ab_channel=LBCwww.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/09/revealed-detail-of-exclusive-russian-deal-offered-to-arron-banks-in-brexit-run-up Do you even understand the terms you use? Throwing the term fascist around like an un-education schoolboy lol. Fascism is authoritarian, ultranationalist, dictatorial leadership and the forcible suppression of opposition. Your First Minister matches those traits more than Farrage lol. Farage is a Conservative, not a Fascist. Please link some data to show where he has mentioned the colour of somebody's skin... because that is racism you numpty, not talking about tight immigration controls. Australia, Canada, New Zealand have tight immigration rules are they racist in your eyes too? lol. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 21, 2022 16:00:27 GMT
I tend to agree - Johnson got the best deal that Parliament would allow. No deal would have been better, it's still costing us plenty of money. No deal would not get through Parliament. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 21, 2022 16:01:25 GMT
I tend to agree - Johnson got the best deal that Parliament would allow. That's interesting, can you explain which part of a deal parliament would not allow? Parliament had a series of votes on all the alternatives - this is the only deal that passed. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 21, 2022 17:03:09 GMT
Maybe you could tell me one of the "Lies" that Farage told about Brexit. I can't think of any. If you're thinking of the "£350 million claim on the bus" then you're wrong because that was nothing to do with Farage. That was Vote Leave - different campaign. And the biggest lie told about Brexit was told by the Remain campaign. You probably don't even know which it was. In a TV debate on migrants / asylum seekers in Europe, Farage claimed that Angela Merkel Chancellor of Germany along with the EU were to blame. The truth being that Europe, not just the EU is signed up to the ECHR which obliged by law European countries to accept asylum seekers. He also stood in front of a picture of a winding crowd of people on the move inferring they were all were EU Freedom of Movement people. (FoM only applies to EU citizens) Then there was his silly comment that 40 something million citizens of EU countries could come to live in the UK. Yes, I would like to know what that "biggest lie" was. It would be further reason for declaring the Referendum null and void. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 21, 2022 17:27:20 GMT
That's interesting, can you explain which part of a deal parliament would not allow? Parliament had a series of votes on all the alternatives - this is the only deal that passed. I guess that does sort of answer my question. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 21, 2022 17:39:48 GMT
That's interesting, can you explain which part of a deal parliament would not allow? You obviously didn't follow this very closely. Parliament forbade the UK to leave without signing the withdrawal agreement. The UK had no need to sign any withdrawal agreement - or pay the EU any money to leave. That's what the ludicrous May agreed and which Parliament enshrined in law. Any member of the EU can leave without any agreement from the EU. Parliament also agreed the "Benn Act" - otherwise called the "surrender act" - where the UK had to extend our membership of the EU until a withdrawal agreement acceptable to the EU was signed. Like I said, the MPs were determined to prevent the UK leaving - even by dubious means such as the opposition taking control of the agenda. 1. That does not answer my question. 2. Yes, any EU member can leave with or without an agreement. But leaving without an agreement leaves an awful lot of loose ends that would need to be sorted sooner or later, or we could have just ignored the EU altogether. I think parliament decided that an agreement was the better way to go. I think your assessment that parliament would or could force the government not to leave the EU is very farfetched. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 22, 2022 6:29:37 GMT
Maybe you could tell me one of the "Lies" that Farage told about Brexit. I can't think of any. If you're thinking of the "£350 million claim on the bus" then you're wrong because that was nothing to do with Farage. That was Vote Leave - different campaign. And the biggest lie told about Brexit was told by the Remain campaign. You probably don't even know which it was. In a TV debate on migrants / asylum seekers in Europe, Farage claimed that Angela Merkel Chancellor of Germany along with the EU were to blame. The truth being that Europe, not just the EU is signed up to the ECHR which obliged by law European countries to accept asylum seekers. He also stood in front of a picture of a winding crowd of people on the move inferring they were all were EU Freedom of Movement people. (FoM only applies to EU citizens) Then there was his silly comment that 40 something million citizens of EU countries could come to live in the UK. Yes, I would like to know what that "biggest lie" was. It would be further reason for declaring the Referendum null and void. 1. Angela Merkel invited anyone from Syria to come to Germany, which resulted in over a million people (who could have come from anywhere) to tramp through Europe. That was stupid. It was not a lie. 2. He didn't "infer" anything. You made the inference. 3. The number of people who "could" come to the UK under free movement is well over 40 million. He never said they would. The biggest lie of the Brexit campaign by far came from the Remain campaign. They said that households would lose an average of £2,200 pa as a result of Brexit. This was based on various mistakes - which were pointed out at the time (though not by the BBC of course). The BBC were too busy complaining about the £350 million a week claim from Leave.eu, which was an exaggeration of £4 billion - the £2,200 claim was an exaggeration of about £80 billion. |
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