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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 6, 2023 21:15:31 GMT
Apparently there are 735,000 people in England and Wales with an unspent conviction, so what is that, about 1 in 80. When is a conviction spent? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 7, 2023 3:01:59 GMT
The guy I referred to in my previous post also taught about handling guns and even went on real life incidents. One of my friends was part of the armed police and was John Majors body guard. Lovely guy, 19 stone of solid muscle. He wouldn't have been much good in some situations. If he was 19 stone and fit, I imagine he would be at least 6'4" which means he stood out like a sore thumb. Handy in some circs, but not in others. People always think SAS troopers are musclebound super heroes, they're not. They are fit obviously, but sometimes they have to operate in environments in which they are not necessarily welcome or supposed to be in, which means musclebound monsters always stand out. I jest not I knew two SAS troopers (I say I knew, I met them) Who were so ordinary you wouldn't have given either of them a second glance. And that is exactly what those type of troops are supposed to be, anonymous, discreet. I may have digressed, slightly. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 7, 2023 5:54:08 GMT
One of my friends was part of the armed police and was John Majors body guard. Lovely guy, 19 stone of solid muscle. He wouldn't have been much good in some situations. If he was 19 stone and fit, I imagine he would be at least 6'4" which means he stood out like a sore thumb. Handy in some circs, but not in others. People always think SAS troopers are musclebound super heroes, they're not. They are fit obviously, but sometimes they have to operate in environments in which they are not necessarily welcome or supposed to be in, which means musclebound monsters always stand out. I jest not I knew two SAS troopers (I say I knew, I met them) Who were so ordinary you wouldn't have given either of them a second glance. And that is exactly what those type of troops are supposed to be, anonymous, discreet. I may have digressed, slightly. Funnily enough you are right. He struggled with some parts of the physical testing regarding speed and eventually lost his position and was an ordinary PC for the last couple of years before he retired from the police. He's huge and scary. I asked him once if anyone had ever resisted arrest and he laughed. But a lovely guy and a fantastic golfer. |
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Post by Toreador on Apr 7, 2023 6:24:39 GMT
When is a conviction spent? Yippee, I've been a free man for nearly fifty years and didn't know it. Drink driving for a half pint over the limit. |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 7, 2023 6:59:04 GMT
One of my friends was part of the armed police and was John Majors body guard. Lovely guy, 19 stone of solid muscle. He wouldn't have been much good in some situations. If he was 19 stone and fit, I imagine he would be at least 6'4" which means he stood out like a sore thumb. Handy in some circs, but not in others. People always think SAS troopers are musclebound super heroes, they're not. They are fit obviously, but sometimes they have to operate in environments in which they are not necessarily welcome or supposed to be in, which means musclebound monsters always stand out. I jest not I knew two SAS troopers (I say I knew, I met them) Who were so ordinary you wouldn't have given either of them a second glance. And that is exactly what those type of troops are supposed to be, anonymous, discreet. I may have digressed, slightly. Yes it always makes me chuckle when you you see the Yanks surrounded by blokes in suits built like barn doors constantly touching their ears and whispering into their sleeves, might as well paint a target on their chests |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 7, 2023 7:12:09 GMT
He wouldn't have been much good in some situations. If he was 19 stone and fit, I imagine he would be at least 6'4" which means he stood out like a sore thumb. Handy in some circs, but not in others. People always think SAS troopers are musclebound super heroes, they're not. They are fit obviously, but sometimes they have to operate in environments in which they are not necessarily welcome or supposed to be in, which means musclebound monsters always stand out. I jest not I knew two SAS troopers (I say I knew, I met them) Who were so ordinary you wouldn't have given either of them a second glance. And that is exactly what those type of troops are supposed to be, anonymous, discreet. I may have digressed, slightly. Yep, I worked with a chap who was ex SAS. (He never mentioned it but I was told by another colleague who'd served with him earlier in his military career). Gordon was always very capable but he was also the sort of chap who could walk into a room and then leave again without anyone noticing that he'd been there. The archetypal "Grey man". |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 14:54:38 GMT
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Post by patman post on Apr 10, 2023 15:20:42 GMT
School teachers have no leeway — any allegation results in their immediate suspension. In addition, the allegation appears to remain on their record, proved or not.
So it seems some professions are required to be totally clean, why can’t we expect the Police to be the same and pay them accordingly. Recruiting bullies doesn’t appear to have resulted in much public confidence…
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Post by patman post on Apr 10, 2023 15:23:26 GMT
He wouldn't have been much good in some situations. If he was 19 stone and fit, I imagine he would be at least 6'4" which means he stood out like a sore thumb. Handy in some circs, but not in others. People always think SAS troopers are musclebound super heroes, they're not. They are fit obviously, but sometimes they have to operate in environments in which they are not necessarily welcome or supposed to be in, which means musclebound monsters always stand out. I jest not I knew two SAS troopers (I say I knew, I met them) Who were so ordinary you wouldn't have given either of them a second glance. And that is exactly what those type of troops are supposed to be, anonymous, discreet. I may have digressed, slightly. Yes it always makes me chuckle when you you see the Yanks surrounded by blokes in suits built like barn doors constantly touching their ears and whispering into their sleeves, might as well paint a target on their chests Isn’t the common folklore they’re meant to be the target…? |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 10, 2023 15:36:17 GMT
Well that's good then. Sigh. |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 10, 2023 15:37:15 GMT
Yes it always makes me chuckle when you you see the Yanks surrounded by blokes in suits built like barn doors constantly touching their ears and whispering into their sleeves, might as well paint a target on their chests Isn’t the common folklore they’re meant to be the target…? No |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 10, 2023 17:08:42 GMT
Mark Rowley is now saying that anyone with so much as a caution should be disbarred from joining the Met. I've no problem with that but they might have to actually start paying and treating officers properly.
As it stands, policing has a massive retention problem and so they can't be too choosy about who they take on.
But underpaying the police has has been a deliberate policy for the last 20 or so years, so I guess we reap what we sow and society, as always, gets the policing it deserves.
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Post by zanygame on Apr 10, 2023 17:54:24 GMT
Mark Rowley is now saying that anyone with so much as a caution should be disbarred from joining the Met. I've no problem with that but they might have to actually start paying and treating officers properly. As it stands, policing has a massive retention problem and so they can't be too choosy about who they take on. But underpaying the police has has been a deliberate policy for the last 20 or so years, so I guess we reap what we sow and society, as always, gets the policing it deserves. I don't think that will help much. Most of the bad behaviour of the police is learned on the job. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 10, 2023 18:08:39 GMT
Mark Rowley is now saying that anyone with so much as a caution should be disbarred from joining the Met. I've no problem with that but they might have to actually start paying and treating officers properly. As it stands, policing has a massive retention problem and so they can't be too choosy about who they take on. But underpaying the police has has been a deliberate policy for the last 20 or so years, so I guess we reap what we sow and society, as always, gets the policing it deserves. I don't think that will help much. Most of the bad behaviour of the police is learned on the job. In your vast experience of fuck all.  |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 10, 2023 18:28:40 GMT
I don't think that will help much. Most of the bad behaviour of the police is learned on the job. In your vast experience of fuck all. About double yours then. |
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