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Post by Vinny on Feb 24, 2023 12:07:11 GMT
Dan, that graphic is bollocks. 1) I was in a farm shop earlier and it's got more tomatoes than the aliens from aliens, have teeth. 2) That graphic makes out that Russia (a country subject to enormous sanctions) does not have shortage of seasonal produce.  Visit a farm shop or a greengrocers. They pay suppliers properly and have no shortages. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 24, 2023 12:20:30 GMT
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 24, 2023 12:28:32 GMT
The proles planting their own veg is what they did in feudal times. How far would you like to see us regress? How about trying out a new cave home? I realise that you never go outside, but lots of people grow their own veggies and it's nothing to do with being fuedal.
Honestly, you really do talk some shite.
Eventually they decided to make all the proles' strips of land into one large plot and invented tractors. Do you know why they did this, little child? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 24, 2023 12:31:48 GMT
Your map is wrong. Northern Ireland was also mentioned as a place other than England where there were shortages. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 24, 2023 12:37:12 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 24, 2023 13:18:17 GMT
European greenhouse growers skip winter productionDue to rising energy prices, European greenhouse growers from as far afield as the Netherlands and Sweden are making the decision not to grow overwintered heated and lit crops, such as tomatoes. hortnews.com/european-greenhouse-growers-skip-winter-production/Renewable energy in the EU too expensive for fruit & veg growers. I'm betting this is somehow because of Brexit, lol.
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Post by patman post on Feb 24, 2023 13:38:39 GMT
The problems are that after some bad weather, the price of salads this time of years has gone up, plus the costs to heat greenhouses and transport them. The large supermarkets won't pay the price the growers need to stay in business so they don't stock the produce. So they wait for the season to change. If they asked for a realistic price the gutter press would be all over it and the publicity would damage the supermarkets. So they just sidestep the problem. So nothing to do with Brexit, they just don't want to pay for them. Yes and No.
UK supermarkets have negotiated prices down to the bone with suppliers at home and abroad. They stick to contract prices and make no allowances for rising costs to producers. As a result, home suppliers cut production of goods — like eggs, horticultural salad veg, open field root veg — because they knew they wouldn't get their extra feed, energy and water costs covered.
Overseas suppliers prefer to deal to with overseas concerns because they are prepared to pay higher prices to cover increased costs.
The UK has become addicted to cheap food and the waste it creates.
There are still tomatoes in local greengrocers because they get theirs from wholesale markets, and limited amounts at higher prices are still coming in through the EU. But the additional time taken (OK, only 24-36 hours) to get stuff to market in UK since Brexit, means some types of veg cannot make the journey...
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 24, 2023 13:40:57 GMT
This sort of story tends not to be reported by pro EU news outlets in the UK. Empty supermarket shelves in Germany. "Dear customers: we are sorry to inform you that we can't currently offer all the products of our supplier Mars GmbH," reads a note in a sparsely stocked aisle at an Edeka supermarket in central Berlin.
With German inflation running at a record 10 percent, supermarket giants are pushing back against what they see as unreasonable price increases by some of the world's best-known brands.www.rfi.fr/en/business-and-tech/20221019-empty-shelves-as-german-supermarkets-resist-price-hikesYes yes I know, it's because of Brexit. |
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Post by bancroft on Feb 24, 2023 15:22:10 GMT
Lots in my British supermarket........
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Post by Steve on Feb 24, 2023 15:44:58 GMT
European greenhouse growers skip winter productionDue to rising energy prices, European greenhouse growers from as far afield as the Netherlands and Sweden are making the decision not to grow overwintered heated and lit crops, such as tomatoes. hortnews.com/european-greenhouse-growers-skip-winter-production/Renewable energy in the EU too expensive for fruit & veg growers. I'm betting this is somehow because of Brexit, lol. Energy prices are indeed the real cause of this Iain Dale was pointing out earlier on GMB that in Europe they tend to pay higher prices for tomatoes etc and that's the main reason why they have more stocks in shops than the UK. Limited resources always migrate to the highest payers. So god knows what price we paid for the tomatoes and cucumber Abel and Cole delivered to us earlier, that comes out of her stipend |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 24, 2023 15:52:41 GMT
Farm shops and green grocers are well stocked. That may well be to do with those outlets or their wholesalers not screwing the arse off growers. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 24, 2023 18:05:31 GMT
So nothing to do with Brexit, they just don't want to pay for them. Yes and No.
UK supermarkets have negotiated prices down to the bone with suppliers at home and abroad. They stick to contract prices and make no allowances for rising costs to producers. As a result, home suppliers cut production of goods — like eggs, horticultural salad veg, open field root veg — because they knew they wouldn't get their extra feed, energy and water costs covered.
Overseas suppliers prefer to deal to with overseas concerns because they are prepared to pay higher prices to cover increased costs.
The UK has become addicted to cheap food and the waste it creates.
There are still tomatoes in local greengrocers because they get theirs from wholesale markets, and limited amounts at higher prices are still coming in through the EU. But the additional time taken (OK, only 24-36 hours) to get stuff to market in UK since Brexit, means some types of veg cannot make the journey...
Do you have any evidence for this claim? |
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Post by patman post on Feb 24, 2023 19:24:49 GMT
Yes — there are empty shelves and truck drivers are refusing to spend the extras hours clearing customs…
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Post by Vinny on Feb 24, 2023 19:36:33 GMT
There are empty shelves in Ireland, Germany, Sweden.
It's nothing to do with Brexit.
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Post by bancroft on Feb 24, 2023 19:46:41 GMT
Just found 6 cans of tinned tomatoes in one of my Dad's food cabinet, he has mild dementia........
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