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Post by Pacifico on Feb 24, 2023 22:49:56 GMT
Yes — there are empty shelves and truck drivers are refusing to spend the extras hours clearing customs… Well there are empty shelves all over Europe. But I'm specifically asking about your claim that it takes an additional 24-36 hours to get goods to market in the UK - where did you get this information from? |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 24, 2023 23:19:47 GMT
Yes — there are empty shelves and truck drivers are refusing to spend the extras hours clearing customs… Well there are empty shelves all over Europe. But I'm specifically asking about your claim that it takes an additional 24-36 hours to get goods to market in the UK - where did you get this information from?Remnants book of bullshit...Page 14 chapter 11... |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 25, 2023 7:38:54 GMT
Yes — there are empty shelves and truck drivers are refusing to spend the extras hours clearing customs… Well there are empty shelves all over Europe. But I'm specifically asking about your claim that it takes an additional 24-36 hours to get goods to market in the UK - where did you get this information from? Actually there has been no reports of any empty shelves in Europe. The cucumbers are a bit thin but a month ago the supermarkets were offering three for two. I have a choice of tomatoes, either on the vine, oval, boxes of small ones, yellow and purple ones too. Sources include the Canary Islands and the Ivory Coast. UK supermarkets have contracts with certain suppliers who cannot supply the usual quantity right now. So they can't source from somewhere else or sell to customers at the real cost of production. Except for delays at customs posts which can affect supply, the issues are that the UK supermarkets don't source from a wide enough number of places because they have long standing deals with producers who sell at the lowest prices. If the rest of Europe can buy from such sources as I mentioned above, so can the UK because the UK still uses EU trade deals. IMO any blame lies with the supermarkets buyers who should take this as a lesson and widen their sources as climate change affects future supplies. Where did you get your information from? |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 25, 2023 7:40:39 GMT
Small shops buy from British suppliers hence our farm shops are full of fruit and vag while supermarket import from all over the world including the revengful EUSSR The real reason why supermarket shelves lay empty - while corner shops are piled high Story by Claire Donnelly • Yesterday 21:34
At the end of the usually bustling fruit and veg aisle, an elderly man is eyeing up a sad-looking, solitary cucumber. “Is this it?” he says, putting it in his supermarket basket and looking puzzled. “Where’s the rest?” It is a good question, and one we have all been asking. For days shoppers have been photographing gaps on the shelves where fruit and veg should be and a YouGov poll reveals 61% of us have noticed sudden shortages. With stocks running low, Lidl, Aldi, Tesco, Morrisons and Asda have resorted to rationing peppers, tomatoes and cucumbers. Environment Secretary Therese Coffey has warned the disruption could carry on for weeks. link |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 25, 2023 7:48:15 GMT
This is just another press statement of hundreds about something we already know.
The question is why there are shortages.
In fact further down the article you find:
"Brexit has increased labour costs and industry commentator Chris White, of FruitNet, says leaving the EU has affected the UK’s place in the global supply chain.
He adds: “It is less costly for a supplier to supply to the Netherlands and other countries, because they don’t have these 25 miles of the Channel to negotiate.”
But there are other issues, including that small shops can get supplies but the prices are high.
They don't have contracts that limit choice of suppliers.
This time supermarket buyers have limited sources of supply and got caught by the weather. They will have to be morecflexible and stop penny-pinching.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 25, 2023 7:53:59 GMT
Well there are empty shelves all over Europe. But I'm specifically asking about your claim that it takes an additional 24-36 hours to get goods to market in the UK - where did you get this information from? Actually there has been no reports of any empty shelves in Europe. So Germany and Ireland are not in Europe .... |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 25, 2023 7:54:58 GMT
This is just another press statement of hundreds about something we already know. The question is why there are shortages. Revenge laden EUSSR for starters......And Energy prices yet again down to the EUSSR relying on Russian gas.. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 25, 2023 7:58:23 GMT
Actually there has been no reports of any empty shelves in Europe. So Germany and Ireland are not in Europe .... Your source is about GROWERS and SUPPLIERS, not retailers. And small ones at that. Retailers just find other suppliers. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 25, 2023 8:16:02 GMT
Well there is either a shortage of fruit and veg across Europe or there isn't - if you are saying that the reports from Germany and Ireland are untrue then fine, feel free to believe that. If this is a picture of a normal fully stocked supermarket in Ireland then there is nothing to worry about.  |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 25, 2023 8:37:26 GMT
Well there is either a shortage of fruit and veg across Europe or there isn't - if you are saying that the reports from Germany and Ireland are untrue then fine, feel free to believe that. If this is a picture of a normal fully stocked supermarket in Ireland then there is nothing to worry about. Pacifico, the issue isn't the country. It is the buyers in large supermarkets who backed the growers who happen by freak weather to find supply difficult. I am quite sure that retail shops in Germany and Ireland can source produce if they want to the issue is the large outlets who don't have contracts with enough suppliers. Having said that, the two largest supermarket outlets across Europe, Carrefour and Leclerc, have no supply problems. I suspect some of the UK supermarkets are papering over the fact that their buyers have been caught out so they blame other issues. BTW that photo seems to me to be a well stocked market. And misleading. The whole dis0lay may have been truncated or the shelf filler may be out of the photo. But I see nothing there to complain about. If you can't get what you want, go find it somewhere else. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 25, 2023 9:51:43 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 25, 2023 11:59:49 GMT
Having said that, the two largest supermarket outlets across Europe, Carrefour and Leclerc, have no supply problems. I suspect some of the UK supermarkets are papering over the fact that their buyers have been caught out so they blame other issues. As another poster pointed out the issue is that UK retailers hammer down prices more than continental retail chains - so when their is disruption in supply goods that are available will tend to go to those paying the most. This is also why the UK has lower food inflation than the EU. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 25, 2023 12:02:00 GMT
Your previous graphic, and this one is false Dan.
You know the real reasons, bad weather in Spain and Morocco, and also because energy costs (due to the adoption of EU energy policy when we were still members) have pushed up the price of heating greenhouses in the UK and also EU based suppliers like the Netherlands.
Your graphic fails to explain the shortages Germany Sweden and Ireland are having.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 25, 2023 12:04:54 GMT
Just found 6 cans of tinned tomatoes in one of my Dad's food cabinet, he has mild dementia........ When my father had demetia he had thousands of frigging OXO cubes stored in the fridge. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 25, 2023 14:37:45 GMT
Well there are empty shelves all over Europe. But I'm specifically asking about your claim that it takes an additional 24-36 hours to get goods to market in the UK - where did you get this information from? . The cucumbers are a bit thin but a month ago the supermarkets were offering three for two. I have a choice of tomatoes, either on the vine, oval, boxes of small ones, yellow and purple ones too. Sources include the Canary Islands and the Ivory Coast. UK supermarkets have contracts with certain suppliers who cannot supply the usual quantity right now. So they can't source from somewhere else or sell to customers at the real cost of production. Except for delays at customs posts which can affect supply, the issues are that the UK supermarkets don't source from a wide enough number of places because they have long standing deals with producers who sell at the lowest prices. If the rest of Europe can buy from such sources as I mentioned above, so can the UK because the UK still uses EU trade deals. IMO any blame lies with the supermarkets buyers who should take this as a lesson and widen their sources as climate change affects future supplies. Where did you get your information from? Empty supermarket shelves in Germany. "Dear customers: we are sorry to inform you that we can't currently offer all the products of our supplier Mars GmbH," reads a note in a sparsely stocked aisle at an Edeka supermarket in central Berlin. With German inflation running at a record 10 percent, supermarket giants are pushing back against what they see as unreasonable price increases by some of the world's best-known brands. www.rfi.fr/en/business-and-tech/20221019-empty-shelves-as-german-supermarkets-resist-price-hikes |
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