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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2023 18:05:58 GMT
It would be even harder to imagine 6Bn hunter gatherers. Still I expect if you achieved your Narnia then those numbers would quickly fall through war and starvation, so you might get there eventually. I wasn't advocating hunter gatherer lifestyles. I was making a point about the true cause and effectThen it was lost on me. For me true cause and effect have to reflect reality. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 5, 2023 18:32:17 GMT
Yep is not an answer Baron, can I assume you don't have one? I'm benefiting anyway by buying from those who use machines. For example I don't even need to get off my arse to buy stuff because machines do a lot of the work. Economics is all mathematical. I've developed algorithms and all sorts. Those products almost completely manufactured by automation are of far higher quality. Once you set the machine up it can give you 100% repeatability. This country really aught to get its shit into gear. It's a laggard now in technology. It needs to face up to this fact. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 5, 2023 19:12:20 GMT
What happens when all the jobs are done by machines? And all the moneygoes to those who own them? Those who are unemployed take some free land and use it to feed themselves. Massive problem we face with automation what do you do with all those idle hands? Neglect them and it could turn very nasty,still I expect those who lecture us from on high from their conferences and endless reserves of cash have plans for the plebs. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2023 19:15:21 GMT
Yep is not an answer Baron, can I assume you don't have one? I'm benefiting anyway by buying from those who use machines. For example I don't even need to get off my arse to buy stuff because machines do a lot of the work. Economics is all mathematical. I've developed algorithms and all sorts. Those products almost completely manufactured by automation are of far higher quality. Once you set the machine up it can give you 100% repeatability. This country really aught to get its shit into gear. It's a laggard now in technology. It needs to face up to this fact. That is irrelevant to my question. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2023 19:16:22 GMT
Those who are unemployed take some free land and use it to feed themselves. Massive problem we face with automation what do you do with all those idle hands? Neglect them and it could turn very nasty,still I expect those who lecture us from on high from their conferences and endless reserves of cash have plans for the plebs. Mostly stop paying them and they get very hungry and then very nasty. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 5, 2023 19:56:35 GMT
You evade my point The 5% of the population that controlled the country chose to drive the other 95% out of their subsistence existence into abject poverty and starvation so they could be exploited by the industrial overlords. You could of course argue the aristocracy and feudal lords did that anyway but in Exeter for example, the lord of the manor merely offered the locals a choice between living in and around his castle and environs for a fee that went to feed clothe and train his army trained to fight and possibly die protecting you from the pirate raiders, OR you were perfectly free to live nearer the river, free of that tax, and when the raiders came you MIGHT fight them off, but if not, the screams of your women as you were slaughtered, and the smoke rising from your burning home, served to alert the castle that it was time to ride out and fight. Now it is true my view is a little biased, for in truth Bernard Knight researched the history of that area and found its Norman warlord was a cousin of my ancestor who was handed Northampton, or rather, a large chunk of it, as a reward for his service to William, but the reality Bernard uncovered while researching for his fictional histories remains the truth, uncomfortable or not. So his commercial work is all lies (fiction) and his unpaid work is true. This is progress right?! Not entirely Bernard packed up his stuff after sieving the last bucket of earth from Fred West’s garden, chucked his notice in and retired to write 11th / 12th century crime fiction in his retirement. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 5, 2023 20:51:38 GMT
So his commercial work is all lies (fiction) and his unpaid work is true. This is progress right?! Not entirely Bernard packed up his stuff after sieving the last bucket of earth from Fred West’s garden, chucked his notice in and retired to write 11th / 12th century crime fiction in his retirement. Have you noticed the amount of fiction Radio 4 promote? Listening to it for a while you might imagine it were our main national industry. I think too much fiction can turn one into a fruitcake. Your brain can get cross-wired between fiction and non-fiction department. 11th century history though is something I find interesting. Our town has things which date back to that time. I think the architecture of that period is amazing. Wells Cathedral is also of that period. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 6, 2023 0:29:48 GMT
Bernard’s interest grew from critical analysis of the history of his job in past times
For example it was decreed that any corpse not udentified by next of kin as saxon, and not clearly a foreigner such as a sailor drowned at sea and washed up was a norman, murdered by a saxon, and further decreed that the murderer was a saxon resident in the nearest saxon settlement.
The punishment meted out was the murdrum amercement or murder fine, a tax levied on the village. Prince John i believe invented this to screw the locals and swell his coffers …The office of shire reeve or sheriff was an official position for which any noble might apply by budding. The highest bidder won and one man often held many such posts
The duty of the sheriff was to bring the exact amount of tax demanded by the king twice yearly to the court. Not a groat less. Any excess was of course the sheriffs to keep.
Quarterly courts were held to hear pleas from the common man and from the crown. The representative of the crown charged with presenting the ‘evidence’ of the ‘normans’ “murdered” by saxons and thus the amount of the murdrum amercement was the holder of the office of ‘keeper of the pleas of the crown to the quarterly court’ which quickly became shortened to ‘crowner’
It is that ancient office from which today’s ‘coroner’ evolved. Then as now the reality is deaths are largely a financial matter to the state.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 6, 2023 23:47:57 GMT
Bought some today at the supermarket.
All this blame Brexit stuff really is bollocks.
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 7, 2023 6:48:28 GMT
NO ONE IS BLAMING BREXIT.
IT HAS BEEN AGREED THE PROBLEMS LIE WITH SUPERMARKET BUYERS.
Keep up at the back.
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 7, 2023 6:56:47 GMT
Don’t panic it’s bog rolls all over again,the supermarkets rationing veg and no surprise it’s being blamed on brexit. Why are we paying landowners to rewild shouldn’t we be growing stuff instead,just like energy security successive govts neglecting our food security too. Apparently its due to adverse weather conditions in Southern Europe and Morocco. So not Brexit....... Climate change 😁Though Germany says they have no shortages, so errrmmmm.... Brexit? Didn't you know, Brexit caused climate change? Oh, and Germany is in a recession. It's faired worse economically since 2016 than Britain.  |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 7, 2023 7:55:14 GMT
NO ONE IS BLAMING BREXIT. IT HAS BEEN AGREED THE PROBLEMS LIE WITH SUPERMARKET BUYERS. Keep up at the back. If only that were true. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 7, 2023 8:37:28 GMT
Bought some today at the supermarket. All this blame Brexit stuff really is bollocks. Hmm. |
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