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Post by thomas on Feb 10, 2023 8:53:44 GMT
Manifestos only come out for elections. Not sure why you're looking for one now? They don't conjure up manifestos over night, you generally get the gist of what's going to be in them, up to now we haven't got a fuckin clue. I think it shows the sad and lamentable state of uk politics when the labour party and its current leader are about to win a massive majority in the two party fptp stitch up by doing nothing and saying nothing while sitting on their hands.
I have no idea what keir starmer stands for , have no idea of his intentions , with the exception that he is as we know virulently pro remain despite his weasel words , and is looking to regurgitate a BRINO.
Anyone who seriously believes either labour or tory , twin cheeks of the same lamentable arse , are the future of these islands and are going to bring back to glory days need their heads examined.
Starmer is merely an establishmant man who in my opinion is being put forward to carry on with managed decline instead of the current freefall under the tories.
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Post by thomas on Feb 10, 2023 9:01:08 GMT
Indeed, and with a general election next week the Tories look doomed. i know what you are saying red , but we are talking about roughly a 16 month timescale. Do you seriously think sunak and hunt can turn things around in such a short time?
Lets be honest here mate , they are fucking pitifull. The fact a clown such as keir starmer and people like rayner , cooper and others are looking more appealing to the plebs shows the dire straits torydom is in .
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Post by walterpaisley on Feb 10, 2023 9:13:03 GMT
Yesterday, Labour DOUBLED their majority in West Lancs. Even on a low turnout. They'd need nothing less than a major scandal to knock them out of the top spot, at this stage - fortunately, it's the tories who've traditionally got the corner on that particular market.
I look forward to seeing the Right upset after the General.
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Post by thomas on Feb 10, 2023 9:16:58 GMT
Yesterday, Labour DOUBLED their majority in West Lancs. Even on a low turnout. They'd need nothing less than a major scandal to knock them out of the top spot, at this stage - fortunately, it's the tories who've traditionally got the corner on that particular market. I look forward to seeing the Right upset after the General. is there much to look into regarding this result? Its laregly been a pro labour area since the constituency was formed .
Its the marginal seats especially in englandshire where the tories are being hammered.
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Post by thomas on Feb 10, 2023 9:21:08 GMT
I look forward to seeing the Right upset after the General. how old fashioned. The right?
England is the only country in europe that im aware of that still operates the outdated two party so called left right system.
Modern politics goes way beyond the simplicity of left right ideology. Many traditional lefties in the north of england such as lancashire were of course pro brexit .
There are plenty left wingers in the disunited kingdom who will be upset when the right wing blairites of labour take control at westmisnter.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 10, 2023 9:31:06 GMT
Indeed, and with a general election next week the Tories look doomed. i know what you are saying red , but we are talking about roughly a 16 month timescale. Do you seriously think sunak and hunt can turn things around in such a short time?
Lets be honest here mate , they are fucking pitifull. The fact a clown such as keir starmer and people like rayner , cooper and others are looking more appealing to the plebs shows the dire straits torydom is in . I don't for a moment think the Tories will repeat Boris's success from 2019, I also don't think the next election will be a walk over for Labour, and Labour know it which is why Labour MP's are saying nothing controversial. Last year Labour suddenly dropped their criticism of NATO, their policy on cross channel migrants is best described as vague. Ref support for Ukraine; last year Starmer said 'nothing is on, or off the table'. Starmer has been accused of fence sitting on all the big issues because he's frightened to say anything that may be seen as even slightly controversial. But what people wont forget is that picture of Starmer kneeling for BLM, Starmer unable to say what a woman is, and considering Eddie Izzard for an all woman shortlist was hilarious. The fact is, Labour are woke, and people don't like woke. I think by the time the next general election is upon us, people will hold their nose and vote Tory because the Tories will be seen as the best of the worst. I agree, hardly a glowing indictment of British politics but that's my gut feeling. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 10:06:25 GMT
Interesting that a discussion about what the Tories need to do to improve their poll ratings has become, "yeah, but what about Labour". 🙄 As opposed to the political strategy of Labour . Repeat the mantra ‘ Aren’t Tories horrid ‘ . |
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Post by walterpaisley on Feb 10, 2023 11:11:19 GMT
There are plenty left wingers in the disunited kingdom who will be upset when the right wing blairites of labour take control at westmisnter. [/div]
[/quote] Speaking as a Blairite, I'll be perfectly happy to see that. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 10, 2023 12:00:52 GMT
Speaking as a Blairite, I'll be perfectly happy to see that. I'm not that bothered either way - only please do not start another war like last time. |
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Post by bancroft on Feb 10, 2023 12:14:47 GMT
I look forward to seeing the Right upset after the General. how old fashioned. The right?
England is the only country in europe that im aware of that still operates the outdated two party so called left right system.
Modern politics goes way beyond the simplicity of left right ideology. Many traditional lefties in the north of england such as lancashire were of course pro brexit .
There are plenty left wingers in the disunited kingdom who will be upset when the right wing blairites of labour take control at westmisnter.
Oh France has become very similar too, to stop the Right the left leaning vote goes to the Centre. So they have become a two party state and this explains why we have are largely a two party state. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 10, 2023 12:51:32 GMT
Interesting that a discussion about what the Tories need to do to improve their poll ratings has become, " yeah, but what about Labour". 🙄 It may help if you and your ilk never tried to imply that they were an alternative...... What a stupidly ignorant post. But you do like to prove just how good you are at writing stupidly ignorant posts. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 10, 2023 13:01:31 GMT
Speaking as a Blairite, I'll be perfectly happy to see that. I'm not that bothered either way - only please do not start another war like last time. Still behaving like a spoilt child. Regardless of who wins the next election, your posts really do need to catch up with reality. |
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Post by om15 on Feb 10, 2023 13:09:24 GMT
I think that is about right. Johnson won an overwhelming majority not because he was Johnson, but because of the mess and vacuum at the time, plus most people found it impossible to support Labour. This time everyone will look at what each party has to offer and I think that it will be a hung Parliament.
People are angry and distrustful of the Tories, feel that Labour can't offer very much, (mainly because Labour find it hard to say what they actually stand for), Reform are unknown and the Lib Dems don't count.
It seems that Brexit simply won't get done because there isn't any political will to get it done and the Blob are determined to thwart every effort to do it.
This didn't need to be like this, but it has to be said that the blame falls at the feet of Mrs May, Johnson, and to a lesser extent Liz Truss, Ricky just seems to be trying to hold it together without allowing the hard left or hard right to capsize it all. Maybe that is just about the best that we can hope for.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 14:12:17 GMT
If the gap between Labour and the Conservatives was 10%, it would be a hung Parliament with Labour by far been the largest party, and so they (Labour) could very easily keep the Tories out by going into a pact with the Lib Dems, thereby not only keeping the Tories out, but the SNP too.
However recent polling for the last three months has not been a gap of 10%, its been a gap of 20%
The most recent poll published today ( Friday ) by "People Polling" shows a colossal 29 point lead for Labour, and most polls in the last couple of weeks do show the lead widening.
I just cannot see any way back for the Tories, it feels like 1996 again, and the approach to Tony Blairs record, historic win.
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Post by om15 on Feb 10, 2023 14:58:36 GMT
Except the Labour Party doesn't have a Tony Blair.
Thank goodness, many of our current ills are due to his premiership. Devolution, education, selling all our gold reserves, immigration ( "to rub Tory noses in it"), no, I don't think that he would be a winner again.
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