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Post by jonksy on Feb 9, 2023 14:43:33 GMT
A statement which renders your OP rather pointless. In what way? 🤔 I never mentioned manifestos (that was Fairsociety), I asked what the Tories had to do to improve their position. Pacifico put forward a theory, I don't agree with him, but it was a reasonable post and I argued against it. Why can't you do the same? Why can't you give us even a hint on what labour intends if people are dumb enough to allow them to infest No 10? Seems a bloody reasnable qesution to me and the rest of the electorate with a brain between their ears. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 9, 2023 14:50:29 GMT
Manifestos only come out for elections. Not sure why you're looking for one now? The early ones will be scanned and any decent policies will creep into the later manifestos. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 9, 2023 15:00:18 GMT
We all know what the Labour policies would reflect.
Identity politics.
Envy politics .
White privilege.
White guilt
Racism from whites
Institutional racism from whites.
Aren’t Tories horrid.
Aren’t rich people horrid.
Tax and spend
Tax and spend some more .
We need more migrants
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 9, 2023 15:03:18 GMT
*Correction ^^
They are the policies that the voters wont be seeing before a GE, they are the Labour polices going forward 'after' they win.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 9, 2023 15:04:59 GMT
*Correction ^^ They are the policies that the voters wont be seeing before a GE, they are the Labour polices going forward 'after' they win. Hence ‘reflecting ‘ them. |
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Post by walterpaisley on Feb 9, 2023 15:09:40 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Feb 9, 2023 15:14:05 GMT
So it’s hand outs all round and stop those white people picking in BAME people .
Nice one .
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 9, 2023 15:14:05 GMT
Errr Walter I hate to be the one to break this to you but it is now 2023, where the fuck have you been for the last 4 years, we've had Covid and a war in the Ukraine FFS. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 9, 2023 15:53:30 GMT
Well, apart from being 4 years old that manifesto is the same old divide & conquer identity politics that Labour have pursued for years.
Anyone voting for that deserves all they get.
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 9, 2023 15:56:09 GMT
Well, apart from being 4 years old that manifesto is the same old divide & conquer identity politics that Labour have pursued for years.
Anyone voting for that deserves all they get.
Typical Labour, same shit, different day. |
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Post by borchester on Feb 9, 2023 16:05:16 GMT
If Labour did get in we must think about what happens next, we see Thornbury, Raynor, Lammy and other left wingers in the shadows, once Mr Reasonable has won the election this lot will quickly give him the heave ho and suddenly we will see a Government that makes the SNP look competent. I suspect that within 12 months the cost of living costs will drop, there will be some sort of legal control on immigration and a workable fudge on NI, there will be a hung parliament and there will be a mess for a while until one or other Party actually gets itself organised. There is anger at the Tories for getting the country in a mess, but most sane people will look at Labour and walk away, Reform will attract a lot of votes but fail to get a seat, is my view today, but quite prepared to re-forecast if things change. That pretty much sums it up.
It does not matter what the Tories do, most of the left will vote to betray the UK, so there is not point in grovelling to the Skinny Lattes of Islington. Silly Sunak's real problem are the solid Tory voters who had decided to sit the next election and the ones that will split the vote by casting their ballots for the Reform Party.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 9, 2023 17:53:14 GMT
But it is not a direct switch - Tory supporters are deserting the party over its failure to be conservative. They are going to Reform or sitting at home on their hands. The idea that Tory supporters want higher taxes, more public spending, more immigration and less defence spending is rather silly i'm sure you would agree. 25% Tory to Reform and 50% Tory to LibDems. That, if you were going to prescribe the issue as being a left right switch would actually suggest that the opposite. Personally I don't think it's that, I think that it's more about competence. The downfall of multiple ministers, multiple prime ministers and the failure of policies are all taking their toll. I think Sunak is probably the right man to steady the ship, but it may be too much to convince the country in less than 2 years. You have you take that with a pinch of salt because, as you have pointed out - Labour don't have any policies yet. What we do know from what their spokesman have said is that it will involve higher taxes and higher public spending - so the number of Tories switching to support that will be rather minute I would suggest. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 9, 2023 18:51:57 GMT
We all know what the Labour policies would reflect. Identity politics. Envy politics . White privilege. White guilt Racism from whites Institutional racism from whites. Aren’t Tories horrid. Aren’t rich people horrid. Tax and spend Tax and spend some more . We need more migrants What a sad distortion of reality. Your list is the super Project Fear from the right of politics. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 9, 2023 18:57:19 GMT
We all know what the Labour policies would reflect. Identity politics. Envy politics . White privilege. White guilt Racism from whites Institutional racism from whites. Aren’t Tories horrid. Aren’t rich people horrid. Tax and spend Tax and spend some more . We need more migrants What a sad distortion of reality. Your list is the super Project Fear from the right of politics. Unfortunately it is not a distortion . Your lack of maturity is obviously from absorbing a leftist doctrine from the far left . |
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Post by see2 on Feb 9, 2023 19:04:56 GMT
What a sad distortion of reality. Your list is the super Project Fear from the right of politics. Unfortunately it is not a distortion . Your lack of maturity is obviously from absorbing a leftist doctrine from the far left . You post is probably confirmation of just how that right-wing waste of space Thatcher stayed in office for 11years. |
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