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Post by Pacifico on Apr 9, 2023 21:51:30 GMT
That states exactly the same point as was made in the story I linked to - are you trying to argue for effect? "The reporter believes that many of the car parks in the local authority sector are in a very poor state of repair and they are not inspected as the money that they make is diverted elsewhere."
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Post by zanygame on Apr 9, 2023 22:11:23 GMT
You don't need to be an expert to know a concrete carpark would need a structural check more than once in 60 years. I didn't say they wouldn't, I was laughing at the stupid comparison between a ford Cortina and a Tesla. Why is it stupid?. A car park erected in an era when most cars weighed the same as a Ford Cortina is obviously going to struggle when most cars weigh over twice as much. Its stupid because it assumes that cars have not steadily increased in weight from 1960 until EV's arrived and that in all the intervening time they never updated their records or had a structural report. Other than that its a mildly interesting subject. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 9, 2023 22:13:06 GMT
That states exactly the same point as was made in the story I linked to - are you trying to argue for effect? "The reporter believes that many of the car parks in the local authority sector are in a very poor state of repair and they are not inspected as the money that they make is diverted elsewhere."
Yes and that was in 2012 long before EV's took off. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 10, 2023 3:43:49 GMT
That states exactly the same point as was made in the story I linked to - are you trying to argue for effect? "The reporter believes that many of the car parks in the local authority sector are in a very poor state of repair and they are not inspected as the money that they make is diverted elsewhere."
Yes and that was in 2012 long before EV's took off Of course. Minor damage to the battery section and the whole car has to be written off.........Ask why Norwegian ferry company Havila Kystruten has banned EVs on their ships and it'll give you a good indication why. I'd also bet any other insurance company that insures businesses with "confined spaces" used to park cars like shopping centers and retirement villages etc will go the same way.
Electric car can cost nearly 50% more to insure than a petrol equivalent in another blow to UK's climate ambitions
An electric car could cost nearly 50 per cent more to insure than a petrol equivalent in another blow to the UK's climate ambitions.
Drivers can expect to spend around £650 per year on insurance costs for the most sought-after models compared to about £435 for a petrol vehicle, claims car-selling website Cinch.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 10, 2023 7:15:45 GMT
That states exactly the same point as was made in the story I linked to - are you trying to argue for effect? "The reporter believes that many of the car parks in the local authority sector are in a very poor state of repair and they are not inspected as the money that they make is diverted elsewhere."
Yes and that was in 2012 long before EV's took off. And you think that the decades of lax refurbishment and repairs have magically happened in the last 10 years? During this famous period of 'austerity'?...  |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 10, 2023 7:21:20 GMT
Yes and that was in 2012 long before EV's took off Of course. Minor damage to the battery section and the whole car has to be written off.........Ask why Norwegian ferry company Havila Kystruten has banned EVs on their ships and it'll give you a good indication why. I'd also bet any other insurance company that insures businesses with "confined spaces" used to park cars like shopping centers and retirement villages etc will go the same way.
Electric car can cost nearly 50% more to insure than a petrol equivalent in another blow to UK's climate ambitions
An electric car could cost nearly 50 per cent more to insure than a petrol equivalent in another blow to the UK's climate ambitions.
Drivers can expect to spend around £650 per year on insurance costs for the most sought-after models compared to about £435 for a petrol vehicle, claims car-selling website Cinch.
Of course the risk of damage to the battery without the rest of the car being written off in minimal as the battery sits under the rear seats in most EV's. Ask why Norwegian ferry company Havila Kystruten has banned EVs on their ships While research shows that, per capita, internal combustion vehicles catch fire more frequently than electric vehicles, Havila Krystruten pointed to its ships’ firefighting capabilities as the reason for its decision, rather than the frequency of fires. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 10, 2023 7:26:46 GMT
Of course. Minor damage to the battery section and the whole car has to be written off.........Ask why Norwegian ferry company Havila Kystruten has banned EVs on their ships and it'll give you a good indication why. I'd also bet any other insurance company that insures businesses with "confined spaces" used to park cars like shopping centers and retirement villages etc will go the same way.
Electric car can cost nearly 50% more to insure than a petrol equivalent in another blow to UK's climate ambitions
An electric car could cost nearly 50 per cent more to insure than a petrol equivalent in another blow to the UK's climate ambitions.
Drivers can expect to spend around £650 per year on insurance costs for the most sought-after models compared to about £435 for a petrol vehicle, claims car-selling website Cinch.
Of course the risk of damage to the battery without the rest of the car being written off in minimal as the battery sits under the rear seats in most EV's. Ask why Norwegian ferry company Havila Kystruten has banned EVs on their ships While research shows that, per capita, internal combustion vehicles catch fire more frequently than electric vehicles, Havila Krystruten pointed to its ships’ firefighting capabilities as the reason for its decision, rather than the frequency of fires. The weight of the batteries means they nearly always get damaged in an accident. Good old physics and inertia. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 10, 2023 8:26:42 GMT
Of course the risk of damage to the battery without the rest of the car being written off in minimal as the battery sits under the rear seats in most EV's. Ask why Norwegian ferry company Havila Kystruten has banned EVs on their ships While research shows that, per capita, internal combustion vehicles catch fire more frequently than electric vehicles, Havila Krystruten pointed to its ships’ firefighting capabilities as the reason for its decision, rather than the frequency of fires. The weight of the batteries means they nearly always get damaged in an accident. Good old physics and inertia. You just made that up? |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 10, 2023 8:30:50 GMT
The weight of the batteries means they nearly always get damaged in an accident. Good old physics and inertia. You just made that up? What the law of physics? I don't think Einstein would share your views. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 10, 2023 8:40:09 GMT
What the law of physics? I don't think Einstein would share your views. You assume too much. Where is your evidence that the inertia from a crash is enough to destroy a battery. If it was a given then any fragile human being involved in a crash would be killed, but its vanishingly rare due to crumple zones. The articles I've seen show cars with substantial damage which would probably be written off anyway. But the manufacturers are nonetheless acting upon the concerns. Nissan and Renault both told Reuters they are able to replace individual modules in their EVs, Other manufacturers, including Ford and General Motors, say they have designed their vehicles to made the battery packs easier to repair. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 10, 2023 8:44:17 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Apr 10, 2023 8:46:30 GMT
What the law of physics? I don't think Einstein would share your views. You assume too much. Where is your evidence that the inertia from a crash is enough to destroy a battery. If it was a given then any fragile human being involved in a crash would be killed, but its vanishingly rare due to crumple zones. The articles I've seen show cars with substantial damage which would probably be written off anyway. But the manufacturers are nonetheless acting upon the concerns. Nissan and Renault both told Reuters they are able to replace individual modules in their EVs, Other manufacturers, including Ford and General Motors, say they have designed their vehicles to made the battery packs easier to repair. If you read my link the battery only has to suffer minor damage to class an EV as a right off. Ford and GM have made no such statements. As batterys for lemons are a non repairable or recycled. |
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Post by Orac on Apr 10, 2023 9:37:14 GMT
Let's put it this way, either that's going to be allowed or it will become a disaster. Ice cars will need to be produced for the next three or four decades. This is how far reality diverges from the plan. Btw this assumes this alleged gigantic infrastructure project actually appears - i see not tangible sign of it In the last 12 months 57% of our electricity was produced by non fossil fuels. I'd say that was a pretty tangible sign of intent. I appreciate there might be slippage, Covid and then the current crises have effected our ability to pay for the changes we need. But there is no upper limit on climate change, earth does not mind having 200mph storms, 55 degree summers, year long droughts. Gaia is just fine with that, she cares no more if humans die out than she did dinosaurs. So if we finish late and only keep the average temperature down to a 2 degree rise, its still better than a 4 degree rise. Monte and myself were discussing the infrastructure required to charge the cars, not the infrastructure needed satisfy your end of days religious beliefs. That's a whole different can of worms. |
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