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Post by zanygame on Apr 6, 2023 22:05:24 GMT
Not yet, but its a step. Sorry you are being left behind. Left behind? - I'm in the reality - you are away in the clouds. There is no current (or foreseeable) battery technology that is more efficient than the technology we are using today. The future for aviation is e-fuels - just as the EU have now accepted for much of road transport. You're missing the whole saving the planet bit. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 8, 2023 7:09:00 GMT
The IFO are not a university. They are connected with the Economics department - there is a link at the bottom of their web page that takes you straight there. Anyway - why do you believe they have a vested interest in rubbishing EV's? Meant to ask. How much of the Co2 emissions from EV's calculated by the IFO are from the generation of electricity by fossil fuels? That's important because net zero is no just EV's on their own. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 8, 2023 7:21:37 GMT
They are connected with the Economics department - there is a link at the bottom of their web page that takes you straight there. Anyway - why do you believe they have a vested interest in rubbishing EV's? Meant to ask. How much of the Co2 emissions from EV's calculated by the IFO are from the generation of electricity by fossil fuels? That's important because net zero is no just EV's on their own. They are using the existing real-world mix - obviously if you get more generation from sources that dont produce CO2 then the figures will adjust in favor of EV's. However they are also using identical life cycles for EV's and ICE cars and the jury is still out on whether EV's will last as long as ICE cars. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 8, 2023 7:33:42 GMT
Meant to ask. How much of the Co2 emissions from EV's calculated by the IFO are from the generation of electricity by fossil fuels? That's important because net zero is no just EV's on their own. However they are also using identical life cycles for EV's and ICE cars and the jury is still out on whether EV's will last as long as ICE cars. Thank you for your honest response. I think that's a pretty important fact in the calculations for making decisions going forward, do you agree? |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 8, 2023 7:40:30 GMT
Could nuclear play a vital role in the use of electric cars? Engineers at the Argonne National Laboratory (ANL) in Illinois have designed a micro reactor called MiFi-DC (MicroFission Direct Current). The idea is to install these micro reactors at rest stops along the roads, producing high amounts of electricity which can recharge electric vehicles in a shorter time. namrc.co.uk/comment/nuclear-automotive/ |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 9, 2023 7:34:29 GMT
Could nuclear play a vital role in the use of electric cars? Engineers at the Argonne National Laboratory (ANL) in Illinois have designed a micro reactor called MiFi-DC (MicroFission Direct Current). The idea is to install these micro reactors at rest stops along the roads, producing high amounts of electricity which can recharge electric vehicles in a shorter time. namrc.co.uk/comment/nuclear-automotive/Ford were advocating that in 1957. It was a non starter. Have you thought of the implications of having these atomic recharge stations scattered across our land? The terroists would love them. |
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Post by Orac on Apr 9, 2023 10:42:12 GMT
Could nuclear play a vital role in the use of electric cars? Engineers at the Argonne National Laboratory (ANL) in Illinois have designed a micro reactor called MiFi-DC (MicroFission Direct Current). The idea is to install these micro reactors at rest stops along the roads, producing high amounts of electricity which can recharge electric vehicles in a shorter time. namrc.co.uk/comment/nuclear-automotive/You are getting close now to what would be sensibly needed, but this is a massive infrastructure project that would take decades to complete. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Apr 9, 2023 11:32:52 GMT
Could nuclear play a vital role in the use of electric cars? Engineers at the Argonne National Laboratory (ANL) in Illinois have designed a micro reactor called MiFi-DC (MicroFission Direct Current). The idea is to install these micro reactors at rest stops along the roads, producing high amounts of electricity which can recharge electric vehicles in a shorter time. namrc.co.uk/comment/nuclear-automotive/You are getting close now to what would be sensibly needed, but this is a massive infrastructure project that would take decades to complete. That's OK, it's going to take decades for everyone to change from ICE to EV. |
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Post by Orac on Apr 9, 2023 11:59:14 GMT
You are getting close now to what would be sensibly needed, but this is a massive infrastructure project that would take decades to complete. That's OK, it's going to take decades for everyone to change from ICE to EV. Let's put it this way, either that's going to be allowed or it will become a disaster. Ice cars will need to be produced for the next three or four decades. This is how far reality diverges from the plan. Btw this assumes this alleged gigantic infrastructure project actually appears - i see not tangible sign of it |
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Post by Montegriffo on Apr 9, 2023 12:11:18 GMT
That's OK, it's going to take decades for everyone to change from ICE to EV. Let's put it this way, either that's going to be allowed or it will become a disaster. Ice cars will need to be produced for the next three or four decades. This is how far reality diverges from the plan. Btw this assumes this alleged gigantic infrastructure project actually appears - i see not tangible sign of it I think we all know that the 2035 deadline will be extended but I don't think you are getting 30-40 years. 5 or 10 years at the most. Cleaner and more efficient batteries are in the pipeline and it's that which will set the pace not the availability of charge points. The law of supply and demand will keep up with the need for charging. It's a lot easier to set up a chargepoint than build a petrol station and stations kept up with demand when people like you were saying that horses would be needed for another 40 years. |
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Post by Orac on Apr 9, 2023 12:53:41 GMT
Let's put it this way, either that's going to be allowed or it will become a disaster. Ice cars will need to be produced for the next three or four decades. This is how far reality diverges from the plan. Btw this assumes this alleged gigantic infrastructure project actually appears - i see not tangible sign of it I think we all know that the 2035 deadline will be extended but I don't think you are getting 30-40 years. 5 or 10 years at the most. Cleaner and more efficient batteries are in the pipeline and it's that which will set the pace not the availability of charge points. The law of supply and demand will keep up with the need for charging. It's a lot easier to set up a chargepoint than build a petrol station and stations kept up with demand when people like you were saying that horses would be needed for another 40 years. The 30 or 40 years came from the decades needed to build this infrastructure and typical working life of an Ice car The other points you make are mistaken for various reasons. Battery technology is as unlikely to improve dramatically (ie an order of magnitude or greater) in the near future as ICE technology is. Both techs are somewhere near the point where further improvement is likely to be minor. You are comparing the availability of electric charge with the availability of a liquid - this is a bad comparison. For instance, if you have a liquid fuel it can be stored and dispensed when needed - the only limit being having the liquid and the pumps, pipes to dispense it. Electricity doesn't work like this |
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Post by Montegriffo on Apr 9, 2023 13:13:40 GMT
I think we all know that the 2035 deadline will be extended but I don't think you are getting 30-40 years. 5 or 10 years at the most. Cleaner and more efficient batteries are in the pipeline and it's that which will set the pace not the availability of charge points. The law of supply and demand will keep up with the need for charging. It's a lot easier to set up a chargepoint than build a petrol station and stations kept up with demand when people like you were saying that horses would be needed for another 40 years. The 30 or 40 years came from the decades needed to build this infrastructure and typical working life of an Ice car The other points you make are mistaken for various reasons. Battery technology is as unlikely to improve dramatically (ie an order of magnitude or greater) in the near future as ICE technology is. Both techs are somewhere near the point where further improvement is likely to be minor. You are comparing the availability of electric charge with the availability of a liquid - this is a bad comparison. For instance, if you have a liquid fuel it can be stored and dispensed when needed - the only limit being having the liquid and the pumps, pipes to dispense it. Electricity doesn't work like this ,a%20three%20times%20higher%20lifecycle. Alternatives to lithium will be along well before the 2035 deadline. |
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Post by Orac on Apr 9, 2023 13:34:59 GMT
The 30 or 40 years came from the decades needed to build this infrastructure and typical working life of an Ice car The other points you make are mistaken for various reasons. Battery technology is as unlikely to improve dramatically (ie an order of magnitude or greater) in the near future as ICE technology is. Both techs are somewhere near the point where further improvement is likely to be minor. You are comparing the availability of electric charge with the availability of a liquid - this is a bad comparison. For instance, if you have a liquid fuel it can be stored and dispensed when needed - the only limit being having the liquid and the pumps, pipes to dispense it. Electricity doesn't work like this ,a%20three%20times%20higher%20lifecycle. Alternatives to lithium will be along well before the 2035 deadline. I didn't say there wouldn't be alternatives, I said there is unlikely to be a revolution that will solve the 'battery issue' for bevs. However, this is really a compound problem because even if the battery problem were solved, it wouldn't solve the overall bev problem - it would just shift it along. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 9, 2023 15:53:03 GMT
Could nuclear play a vital role in the use of electric cars? Engineers at the Argonne National Laboratory (ANL) in Illinois have designed a micro reactor called MiFi-DC (MicroFission Direct Current). The idea is to install these micro reactors at rest stops along the roads, producing high amounts of electricity which can recharge electric vehicles in a shorter time. namrc.co.uk/comment/nuclear-automotive/Ford were advocating that in 1957. It was a non starter. Have you thought of the implications of having these atomic recharge stations scattered across our land? The terroists would love them. I haven't considered it, but I'm pretty sure they will have. So it depends on what technology they are using and how safe it is. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 9, 2023 16:04:00 GMT
Ford were advocating that in 1957. It was a non starter. Have you thought of the implications of having these atomic recharge stations scattered across our land? The terroists would love them. I haven't considered it, but I'm pretty sure they will have. So it depends on what technology they are using and how safe it is. All forms of Nuke energy generation has waste that has to be disposed of.....That's all we need to have dirty bombs used against us. |
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