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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2023 19:28:35 GMT
“Almost all of the [electric car] batteries we’ve ever made are still in cars,” said Nissan executive Nic Thomas. “And we’ve been selling electric cars for 12 years,” he added. The worry was once what the world would do with millions of spent electric vehicle (EV) batteries after they no longer powered the cars and vans they propelled. But this glut of EV batteries has not yet materialized—Nissan has been making the electric Leaf since 2010—and automotive industry initiatives to recycle the lithium-ion cells bundled in EV batteries are slow to go mainstream in Europe and the U.S. Electric cars have sophisticated battery management systems that guard the long-term health of their batteries. Most manufacturers offer battery warranties of seven or eight years or around 100,000 miles of driving, but there’s an industry expectation that EV batteries will last longer than that; they should outlive the cars themselves. www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2022/08/01/electric-car-batteries-lasting-longer-than-predicted-delays-recycling-programs/?sh=7ae14bfd5332 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2023 13:51:43 GMT
That's quite good news.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 24, 2023 13:54:26 GMT
“Almost all of the [electric car] batteries we’ve ever made are still in cars,” said Nissan executive Nic Thomas. “And we’ve been selling electric cars for 12 years,” he added. The worry was once what the world would do with millions of spent electric vehicle (EV) batteries after they no longer powered the cars and vans they propelled. But this glut of EV batteries has not yet materialized—Nissan has been making the electric Leaf since 2010—and automotive industry initiatives to recycle the lithium-ion cells bundled in EV batteries are slow to go mainstream in Europe and the U.S. Electric cars have sophisticated battery management systems that guard the long-term health of their batteries. Most manufacturers offer battery warranties of seven or eight years or around 100,000 miles of driving, but there’s an industry expectation that EV batteries will last longer than that; they should outlive the cars themselves. www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2022/08/01/electric-car-batteries-lasting-longer-than-predicted-delays-recycling-programs/?sh=7ae14bfd5332They still work, but at that age the range is much reduced. It's not the batteries are so good, but the new ones are so expensive to replace. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 24, 2023 16:07:31 GMT
“Almost all of the [electric car] batteries we’ve ever made are still in cars,” said Nissan executive Nic Thomas. “And we’ve been selling electric cars for 12 years,” he added. The worry was once what the world would do with millions of spent electric vehicle (EV) batteries after they no longer powered the cars and vans they propelled. But this glut of EV batteries has not yet materialized—Nissan has been making the electric Leaf since 2010—and automotive industry initiatives to recycle the lithium-ion cells bundled in EV batteries are slow to go mainstream in Europe and the U.S. Electric cars have sophisticated battery management systems that guard the long-term health of their batteries. Most manufacturers offer battery warranties of seven or eight years or around 100,000 miles of driving, but there’s an industry expectation that EV batteries will last longer than that; they should outlive the cars themselves. www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2022/08/01/electric-car-batteries-lasting-longer-than-predicted-delays-recycling-programs/?sh=7ae14bfd5332They still work, but at that age the range is much reduced. It's not the batteries are so good, but the new ones are so expensive to replace. Most manufacturers have mileage and recharging guarantees so if batteries fall below expectation they are replaced at no cost. Mine has a 7 year 100,000 mile warrantee that it will not reduce by more than 25% in the life. Further they can now replace individual battery cells rather than whole units. Many companies were proposing that second hand car batteries would become the house and farm batteries of the future. But they are simply not getting any supply as yet. I think electric cars are a wonderful demonstration of how government funding can drive change to the point where it becomes commercially viable. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 24, 2023 17:07:32 GMT
They still work, but at that age the range is much reduced. It's not the batteries are so good, but the new ones are so expensive to replace. Most manufacturers have mileage and recharging guarantees so if batteries fall below expectation they are replaced at no cost. Mine has a 7 year 100,000 mile warrantee that it will not reduce by more than 25% in the life. Further they can now replace individual battery cells rather than whole units. Many companies were proposing that second hand car batteries would become the house and farm batteries of the future. But they are simply not getting any supply as yet. I think electric cars are a wonderful demonstration of how government funding can drive change to the point where it becomes commercially viable. This all may well be so, but regarding the first electric cars, like the ones which are about ten or so years old, they are used and are giving about 1/3 of the range. If there were any guarantee then obviously they would not be using them in such a clapped out state. I found this out from oner of your popular "car magazine" type Youtube videos, where you have motor traders telling you what's what in the real world.
Anyway, its like more of the bollox world of spin. Here's a different type of firm though, one that does not spin you. www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nDdTJrQn7E The CEOs who spin their product with deceptive marketing will lose against CATL. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 24, 2023 17:52:51 GMT
I just looked on Autotrader at 10 year old Nissan Leafs - seems the range is reduced by 40-50% at that age. As they only did about 100 miles when new hope the new owners are not going very far..  |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 24, 2023 18:11:24 GMT
I just looked on Autotrader at 10 year old Nissan Leafs - seems the range is reduced by 40-50% at that age. As they only did about 100 miles when new hope the new owners are not going very far.. Just had a look, can't find anyone even offering a range. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 24, 2023 18:13:33 GMT
Most manufacturers have mileage and recharging guarantees so if batteries fall below expectation they are replaced at no cost. Mine has a 7 year 100,000 mile warrantee that it will not reduce by more than 25% in the life. Further they can now replace individual battery cells rather than whole units. Many companies were proposing that second hand car batteries would become the house and farm batteries of the future. But they are simply not getting any supply as yet. I think electric cars are a wonderful demonstration of how government funding can drive change to the point where it becomes commercially viable. This all may well be so, but regarding the first electric cars, like the ones which are about ten or so years old, they are used and are giving about 1/3 of the range. If there were any guarantee then obviously they would not be using them in such a clapped out state. I found this out from oner of your popular "car magazine" type Youtube videos, where you have motor traders telling you what's what in the real world.
Anyway, its like more of the bollox world of spin. Here's a different type of firm though, one that does not spin you. www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nDdTJrQn7E The CEOs who spin their product with deceptive marketing will lose against CATL. I disagree with your speculation. The video appears to be an advert for a battery company. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 24, 2023 19:43:00 GMT
This all may well be so, but regarding the first electric cars, like the ones which are about ten or so years old, they are used and are giving about 1/3 of the range. If there were any guarantee then obviously they would not be using them in such a clapped out state. I found this out from oner of your popular "car magazine" type Youtube videos, where you have motor traders telling you what's what in the real world.
Anyway, its like more of the bollox world of spin. Here's a different type of firm though, one that does not spin you. www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nDdTJrQn7E The CEOs who spin their product with deceptive marketing will lose against CATL. I disagree with your speculation. The video appears to be an advert for a battery company. Yes it is an advert, but it is an honest advert. If your firm does some really smart stuff then it is right that you talk about it. The difference in this culture is the advert will spin you and use tricks to make you think it is good when it is not. If you read the kind of shit from Britishvolt you will see what I mean. I think they used the words world leading several times. CATL is more impressive by its growth rate. One firm is intelligent, the other is a bunch of actors to put it bluntly. I mean obviously you are not going to put £10 000 worth of new batteries in a car that's probably only worth a few hundred quid. That's the real reason they are running on their original batteries. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 24, 2023 20:00:38 GMT
I disagree with your speculation. The video appears to be an advert for a battery company. Yes it is an advert, but it is an honest advert. If your firm does some really smart stuff then it is right that you talk about it. The difference in this culture is the advert will spin you and use tricks to make you think it is good when it is not. If you read the kind of shit from Britishvolt you will see what I mean. I think they used the words world leading several times. CATL is more impressive by its growth rate. One firm is intelligent, the other is a bunch of actors to put it bluntly. I mean obviously you are not going to put £10 000 worth of new batteries in a car that's probably only worth a few hundred quid. That's the real reason they are running on their original batteries. Oh yes Chinese never lie. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 24, 2023 22:31:22 GMT
“Almost all of the [electric car] batteries we’ve ever made are still in cars,” said Nissan executive Nic Thomas. “And we’ve been selling electric cars for 12 years,” he added. The worry was once what the world would do with millions of spent electric vehicle (EV) batteries after they no longer powered the cars and vans they propelled. But this glut of EV batteries has not yet materialized—Nissan has been making the electric Leaf since 2010—and automotive industry initiatives to recycle the lithium-ion cells bundled in EV batteries are slow to go mainstream in Europe and the U.S. Electric cars have sophisticated battery management systems that guard the long-term health of their batteries. Most manufacturers offer battery warranties of seven or eight years or around 100,000 miles of driving, but there’s an industry expectation that EV batteries will last longer than that; they should outlive the cars themselves. www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2022/08/01/electric-car-batteries-lasting-longer-than-predicted-delays-recycling-programs/?sh=7ae14bfd5332Does that include the batteries to make them sound like REAL cars? Oh silly me Ferrari hold the patern rights for that......Viva la diesel......You know it makes sense. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 24, 2023 22:55:03 GMT
“Almost all of the [electric car] batteries we’ve ever made are still in cars,” said Nissan executive Nic Thomas. “And we’ve been selling electric cars for 12 years,” he added. The worry was once what the world would do with millions of spent electric vehicle (EV) batteries after they no longer powered the cars and vans they propelled. But this glut of EV batteries has not yet materialized—Nissan has been making the electric Leaf since 2010—and automotive industry initiatives to recycle the lithium-ion cells bundled in EV batteries are slow to go mainstream in Europe and the U.S. Electric cars have sophisticated battery management systems that guard the long-term health of their batteries. Most manufacturers offer battery warranties of seven or eight years or around 100,000 miles of driving, but there’s an industry expectation that EV batteries will last longer than that; they should outlive the cars themselves. www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2022/08/01/electric-car-batteries-lasting-longer-than-predicted-delays-recycling-programs/?sh=7ae14bfd5332Does that include the batteries to make them sound like REAL cars? Oh silly me Ferrari hold the patern rights for that......Viva la diesel......You know it makes sense. Gosh I bet you miss the stone age. Even though a battery land rover can rinse a Ferrari. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 24, 2023 22:55:11 GMT
Yes it is an advert, but it is an honest advert. If your firm does some really smart stuff then it is right that you talk about it. The difference in this culture is the advert will spin you and use tricks to make you think it is good when it is not. If you read the kind of shit from Britishvolt you will see what I mean. I think they used the words world leading several times. CATL is more impressive by its growth rate. One firm is intelligent, the other is a bunch of actors to put it bluntly. I mean obviously you are not going to put £10 000 worth of new batteries in a car that's probably only worth a few hundred quid. That's the real reason they are running on their original batteries. Oh yes Chinese never lie. The advert deals in numbers. It's hardcore factual. British ads are like this:
So why is it practical and what is meant by practical, ditto for fuss free, what has it got to do with busy homes? In short it tells you fuck all.
"Joke of a company full of lies and excuses and no idea how to run a business." - previous customer.
I just think you lack discretion. The devil is in the detail. Or lack of detail when the company is a joke of a company.
It's an important difference between a Chinese firm and a British one. The Chinese focus on real things like quality of service, durability, strength, output power and so on. These firms are passing off crap to the customer who is away with the fairies.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 25, 2023 2:09:18 GMT
Does that include the batteries to make them sound like REAL cars? Oh silly me Ferrari hold the patern rights for that......Viva la diesel......You know it makes sense. Even though a battery land rover can rinse a Ferrari. The only donosours are those who are so thick they listen to the likes of that snotty nosed liitle prat bumburgh. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 25, 2023 6:48:08 GMT
If only the OP remarks about Nissan were true They have indeed been in the EV game since 2012 The Leaf is a legend for its lousy range, incredibly made out to be almost twice the real value by the company, who made no provision for cooling so running the car at full thrust for any length of time boils the cells and in short fucks them. If you see one doing 45 on the motorway, this is why. And the reality in regard to recycling ? www.fastmarkets.com/insights/black-mass-value-will-increase-as-recycling-tech-improvesThey still can’t retrieve the lithium. Oh, yeah, almost forgot. The noise that makes them ‘real’ cars Fuck that. It’s SO much easier to make a fucking annoying cyclist history in stealth mode. |
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