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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 24, 2023 17:19:23 GMT
What was the status under Pax Romana ?
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Post by thomas on Jan 25, 2023 8:43:41 GMT
What was the status under Pax Romana ? The majority of modern scotland wasnt part of the "pax romana". The antonine wall was abandoned after something like 20 years , and they went behind hadrians wall as you well know.
So not sure of the point of the question and relevance to scotland , but according to the romans there were 33 celtic tribes on the island pf prydain , and at least 16 of them were in scotland .Add in the tribes of ireland to my population point , and the estimation based on total arable land is that what was to become england( once the germanics later kicked the celts out) , held around 40 % of the peoples.
So historians and demographic experts regard the last two hundred years of england population imbalance , ranging from 50 % of the popualtion of these islands to 79 % on 40 % of the land as an historical anomaly that will correct itself naturally.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 25, 2023 10:08:57 GMT
Well you seemed to be comparing the degree to which the population had a say after my ancestors invaded, as I said in reply to another question, my study of history is patchy, but not for the ideological reasons my elder daughters is
In school 1964-1974 we studied various historical areas as many kids did, the stone age to the Iron Age, the romans, Middle Ages etc and the foreign history was limited to stuff like the Greeks, the Egyptians and so on but everything changed, like the Victory and Sovereign of the Seas changing tack at Trafalgar, in 1973, when our stream was channelled like a military unit to read, and inwardly digest, in gruesome detail, British Economic, Social and Political History 1760-1832 for the Welsh Joint Education Committee GCE O Level set to that syllabus. Others were available but our History Mistress chose to teach that one, declaring it less gruelling than several of the others. We were just along for the ride.
After achieving a grade 1 at the end of form 4 the subject matter was abandoned formally and any further advance was at my own curiosity or as part of my younger daughters A level history studies. My eldest left school with the bog standard indoctrination re the Nazis and White Slavers and little else.
From local interest in archaeology and local history I have gleaned the fact that slaves apart under the Roman Occupation free men and women in the entire occupied area were granted full status as citizens of the Empire for whatever that might have been worth, although it is clear from the murals and mosaics at Bradung, on the Isle of Wight, that Ventis was very much viewed as a hardship / punishment detail in the same way the Northern a Ireland Office was viewed by the rest of the Cabinet at the time of ‘The Troubles’, a poison chalice handed to those the top man wanted to see fail.
So I asked out of pure curiosity about an era Roman Propaganda suggests was an era of citizen equality across a huge empire.
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Post by jaydee on Jan 25, 2023 13:25:54 GMT
The Westminster parliament is predominantly English in the sense that a large majority of its MPs represent England. Population of the UK: England 84.3% Scotland 8.2% Wales 4.7% NI 2.8% The majority of MP's represent England because the population of the UK is predominantly English. Yep. And 100% responsible for bankrupts England's massive debt. Because it cannot live wih in its means. And why Energy rich Scotland must leave. Unless of coluse you can gie me one benefit economically that Scotland would gain emaining with bankrupt England
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Post by jaydee on Jan 25, 2023 13:44:32 GMT
SNP are a joke party, led by a joke leader. Get them out asap.....Why oh why cant children just be children ! Just leave them !!! Now wee krankies SNP plans to ask SEVEN-year-olds if they are 'male, female, non-binary, transgender or other' in school survey branded 'disgraceful' and 'indoctrination' A school survey in Scotland will ask seven-year-olds about their gender identity SNP and Lib Dem-run Aberdeen City Council organised the survey for 59 schools The gender options are: 'Male, Female, Non-binary, Transgender or Other' www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11656145/Nicola-Sturgeons-SNP-plans-ask-children-male-female-transgender-survey.htmlAh Big Krankie Jonksy. It nevr amazes me how so stupoid and hate filkled Englishmen can be. The joke party are the Westminster wankers with a unelected PM. The issue of gender recognition is devolved in Scotland, which allows the Scottish parliament, if it wishes, to legislate for a different policy to that of England and Wales. In 2004, the Scottish Parliament passed a motion to consent to Westminster's GRA, so that a uniform system of gender recognition would be in place throughout the UK.A 2018 consultation in England and Wales found that a majority of the over 100,000 respondents were in favour of removing most of the requirements for a GRC; despite this, in 2020, the government in Westminster announced that it would not legislate to relax the requirements. Separately, the Scottish government also consulted on reforming the law: an initial consultation on the principles of the bill which took place between November 2017 and March 2018 found a majority of the 15,500 respondents in favour of the bill; and the second consultation on a draft bill, taking place between November 2019 and March 2020, also found majority support. So perhaps you could explain your actual problem with the bill. As Jack in the box. Who 3 or so weeks back you did not have a clue who he was. But then neither did anybody in Scotland. Now Jack in the box has failed to explain the actual problem being, in that caused him to invoke this bill on this issue. That is what the FM is asking. So how about you explaining what it is. Instead of mouthing about it. You do know it is actually red meat to feed to clowns to divert away from a former Chancellors misplacement of £5 million and wrecking the economy. Dragging energy rich Scotland with it. Or a certain appointment to the BBC and a cover up of a clear security breach by that wanker Bojoke. And it is working. And your problem being with the FM. You do not have a clue do you. Just mouth and hate filled bile. It seems to be getting clear that English police officer are a bigger danger to woman than those with TG problems . What was it 28 rapes by one officer.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 25, 2023 15:30:13 GMT
The SNP are barking mad. The electorate need to boot them out permanently. That is a matter for the Scots. Unless you are Scottish or living in Scotland it is none of your business. The Tories have I suspect handed the SNP am electoral gift in seeking to overrule the Scottish parliament. They will milk it for all they are worth. It is our business when English citizens can cross over the border as Mr Julian Jones, and return as Ms Julie Jones, basically changing Identities not gender, the only people who were allowed that privilege were criminals like the Bulger killers Thomson and Venables, Maxine Carr, and had to have it approved by the highest court in the land, Sturgeon wants that choice for everyone with just a signature.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 25, 2023 16:32:42 GMT
Population of the UK: England 84.3% Scotland 8.2% Wales 4.7% NI 2.8% The majority of MP's represent England because the population of the UK is predominantly English. Yep. And 100% responsible for bankrupts England's massive debt. Because it cannot live wih in its means. And why Energy rich Scotland must leave. Unless of coluse you can gie me one benefit economically that Scotland would gain emaining with bankrupt England FFS how many times? England doesn't have any debt. Scotland's share of the UK national debt is c £181 billion. In the event of Scotland leaving the union how do you suppose We Jimmy McSturgeon could pay? Even if Scotland was in the EU they wouldn't give that sort of credit, and if they did can you imagine the length of the strings attached. Scotland would become another Greece, owned by Brussels. Even the IMF wouldn't lend to a newly independent Scotland with zero credit rating. Face it JD, all this talk from We Jimmy McSturgeon about Independence is nothing more than anti English hatred. It's what we have come to expect from the SNP.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 25, 2023 17:07:05 GMT
Yep. And 100% responsible for bankrupts England's massive debt. Because it cannot live wih in its means. And why Energy rich Scotland must leave. Unless of coluse you can gie me one benefit economically that Scotland would gain emaining with bankrupt England FFS how many times? England doesn't have any debt. Scotland's share of the UK national debt is c £181 billion. In the event of Scotland leaving the union how do you suppose We Jimmy McSturgeon could pay? Even if Scotland was in the EU they wouldn't give that sort of credit, and if they did can you imagine the length of the strings attached. Scotland would become another Greece, owned by Brussels. Even the IMF wouldn't lend to a newly independent Scotland with zero credit rating. Face it JD, all this talk from We Jimmy McSturgeon about Independence is nothing more than anti English hatred. It's what we have come to expect from the SNP. Sturgeon wants Scotland's debt written off.
She thinks it works like finance companies, you either go in to liquidation or you can write the debt off.
LOL this is the Bullshit Sturgeon is feeding the people of Scotland
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Post by jaydee on Jan 25, 2023 20:16:17 GMT
Yep. And 100% responsible for bankrupts England's massive debt. Because it cannot live wih in its means. And why Energy rich Scotland must leave. Unless of coluse you can gie me one benefit economically that Scotland would gain emaining with bankrupt England FFS how many times? England doesn't have any debt. Scotland's share of the UK national debt is c £181 billion. In the event of Scotland leaving the union how do you suppose We Jimmy McSturgeon could pay? Even if Scotland was in the EU they wouldn't give that sort of credit, and if they did can you imagine the length of the strings attached. Scotland would become another Greece, owned by Brussels. Even the IMF wouldn't lend to a newly independent Scotland with zero credit rating. Face it JD, all this talk from We Jimmy McSturgeon about Independence is nothing more than anti English hatred. It's what we have come to expect from the SNP. Oh dearie me. Suddenly Scotland has a share of the English national debt. And the English debt is now £2.8 trillion. Yes that really is £2,800,000,000,000 and rising at over £5,000 per second. And the interest on that alone is £420,000,000 million a day. Last year the Westminster wankers had to borrow some £320 billion. Because bankrupt England cannot live within its means. That is nearly a billion a day. Could you point to some link that shows some £32 billion of that came to Scotland to be spent by the Scots. After all they have to pay the English debt back as it stands. When the wankers took power the English debt was £1.1 trillion. And the PSBR was around £160 billion a year. Now there are the figures for you. The wankers having doubled everything. Since it took power the SNP has underspent Scotland's own money every year. The Scots over the last 40 years or so having contributed 9.6% of all UK tax with 8.4% of the population that you keep ranting about. Would you care to correct that. Or to put it another way. Not only do the Scots the only nation in the Uk who pays its way in the UK. They contributed some £222 billion more than they took out. And the wankers know it. You do know that when Scotland does go its merry way. Bankrupt England will have to borrow at least £100 billion more than it does now. That just to stand still. Bankrupt England is a Greece now, The sick man of Europe. On top of that with its $8 trillion external debt and £800 billion QE problem. That will have to be paid back by your grandkids grandkids grandkids. If ever. The worst economy in the G7 with the worst pension in the developed world. With a up and coming energy crises at over £600 billion. Dragging energy rich Scotland with it So with the anti Jock hatred spewing from the wankers in No. 10. Throwing red meat for arseholes to believe. Swallowing the fanny hook line and sinker. What are you going to do when you no longer have access to the energy of Scotland. That is now paying £600 pound to every household in the UK. Buy it from Russia. You know Farage and Johnston. Bought and sold England for Russian gangster gold. A parcel o rogues in a nation. Good luck on Burns night. You are going to need it. As oor Rabbie has been explaining for over 300 years. www.robertburns.org/works/344.shtml
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 25, 2023 20:23:30 GMT
Oh ffs, this is like banging your head off a hard surface.
JD, there is no such thing as English national debt.
Btw, shouldn't you be scoffing the Scottish delicacy that is, sheep's intestines, right now?
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Post by jaydee on Jan 25, 2023 20:31:52 GMT
FFS how many times? England doesn't have any debt. Scotland's share of the UK national debt is c £181 billion. In the event of Scotland leaving the union how do you suppose We Jimmy McSturgeon could pay? Even if Scotland was in the EU they wouldn't give that sort of credit, and if they did can you imagine the length of the strings attached. Scotland would become another Greece, owned by Brussels. Even the IMF wouldn't lend to a newly independent Scotland with zero credit rating. Face it JD, all this talk from We Jimmy McSturgeon about Independence is nothing more than anti English hatred. It's what we have come to expect from the SNP. Sturgeon wants Scotland's debt written off.
She thinks it works like finance companies, you either go in to liquidation or you can write the debt off.
LOL this is the Bullshit Sturgeon is feeding the people of Scotland
Tell me something. Which part of . Better therefore to be blunt and clear, that the full £1.4tn would stay as a liability of England, Wales and Northern Ireland - and that there would be no legal requirement on Scottish people to pay any of it.. from the Uk treasury. Translates to you Sturgeon wants Scotland debt written off. In terms of national borrowing the Scottish government has no borrowing power. So it cannot create something it cannot do. But that is beyond you. And this is how England lost the UK's AAA rating. Making the mouth go to feed more red meat for clowns to believe. Costing the Scottish tax payer billions as bankrupt England cannot live within its means. With Englsh massive borrowing that the Scots did not need or ask for. So would you cae to point out this dnbt that in two posts has suddenly become Scottish. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25712350
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Post by jaydee on Jan 25, 2023 20:48:40 GMT
Oh ffs, this is like banging your head off a hard surface. JD, there is no such thing as English national debt. Btw, shouldn't you be scoffing the Scottish delicacy that is, sheep's intestines, right now? Well how about you telling your own stupid Englishmen that. ASS you rant on about a Scottish debt. When Scotland goes its merry way. It is a UK problem. End off. And the amount the Scots will pay, if they are daft enough depends on the divorce agreement. Then tell that to George Osborne on the last indy ref. When he stole the UK assets. He stole the UK debt. Realising he made his big gob go. But to late. He had to issue the following statement. Better therefore to be blunt and clear, that the full £1.4tn would stay as a liability of England, Wales and Northern Ireland - and that there would be no legal requirement on Scottish people to pay any of it.. from the Uk treasury. To late . That debt has now doubled. . The world no longer trusted the English. Just like the Scottish government. Who never again will. The Uk lost its AAA. So lets get the ducks in order. This is the second time I have asked you. Could you give me one economic benefit that energy rich Scotland would gain. By remaining part of bankrupt England. With its share of the population, you keep on about and its 100% responsibility for the debt. Which slips your mind Because England cannot live within its means
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Post by jaydee on Jan 25, 2023 20:49:19 GMT
Oh ffs, this is like banging your head off a hard surface. JD, there is no such thing as English national debt. Btw, shouldn't you be scoffing the Scottish delicacy that is, sheep's intestines, right now? Well how about you telling your own stupid Englishmen that. ASS you rant on about a Scottish debt. When Scotland goes its merry way. It is a UK problem. End off. And the amount the Scots will pay, if they are daft enough depends on the divorce agreement. Then tell that to George Osborne on the last indy ref. When he stole the UK assets. He stole the UK debt. Realising he made his big gob go. But to late. He had to issue the following statement. Better therefore to be blunt and clear, that the full £1.4tn would stay as a liability of England, Wales and Northern Ireland - and that there would be no legal requirement on Scottish people to pay any of it.. from the Uk treasury. To late . That debt has now doubled. . The world no longer trusted the English. Just like the Scottish government. Who never again will. The Uk lost its AAA. So lets get the ducks in order. This is the second time I have asked you. Could you give me one economic benefit that energy rich Scotland would gain. By remaining part of bankrupt England. With its share of the population, you keep on about and its 100% responsibility for the debt. Which slips your mind Because England cannot live within its means. What was that about heads and hard surfaces
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 25, 2023 21:11:26 GMT
Oh ffs, this is like banging your head off a hard surface. JD, there is no such thing as English national debt. Btw, shouldn't you be scoffing the Scottish delicacy that is, sheep's intestines, right now? Well how about you telling your own stupid Englishmen that. ASS you rant on about a Scottish debt. When Scotland goes its merry way. It is a UK problem. End off. And the amount the Scots will pay, if they are daft enough depends on the divorce agreement. Then tell that to George Osborne on the last indy ref. When he stole the UK assets. He stole the UK debt. Realising he made his big gob go. But to late. He had to issue the following statement. Better therefore to be blunt and clear, that the full £1.4tn would stay as a liability of England, Wales and Northern Ireland - and that there would be no legal requirement on Scottish people to pay any of it.. from the Uk treasury. To late . That debt has now doubled. . The world no longer trusted the English. Just like the Scottish government. Who never again will. The Uk lost its AAA. So lets get the ducks in order. This is the second time I have asked you. Could you give me one economic benefit that energy rich Scotland would gain. By remaining part of bankrupt England. With its share of the population, you keep on about and its 100% responsibility for the debt. Which slips your mind Because England cannot live within its means JD, you don't seem to understand, if an independent Scotland fails to pay it's legally binding debt to the UK, then Scotland's credit rating will be 'junk' or CCC. And if a newly independent SNP government couldn't access credit, then within six months of independence the UN would be flying in food parcels, and I imagine the SNP faithful would ensure We Jimmy McSturgeon was gently swinging from a gibbet as they pleaded for help from the UK.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 26, 2023 9:48:53 GMT
Well how about you telling your own stupid Englishmen that. ASS you rant on about a Scottish debt. When Scotland goes its merry way. It is a UK problem. End off. And the amount the Scots will pay, if they are daft enough depends on the divorce agreement. Then tell that to George Osborne on the last indy ref. When he stole the UK assets. He stole the UK debt. Realising he made his big gob go. But to late. He had to issue the following statement. Better therefore to be blunt and clear, that the full £1.4tn would stay as a liability of England, Wales and Northern Ireland - and that there would be no legal requirement on Scottish people to pay any of it.. from the Uk treasury. To late . That debt has now doubled. . The world no longer trusted the English. Just like the Scottish government. Who never again will. The Uk lost its AAA. So lets get the ducks in order. This is the second time I have asked you. Could you give me one economic benefit that energy rich Scotland would gain. By remaining part of bankrupt England. With its share of the population, you keep on about and its 100% responsibility for the debt. Which slips your mind Because England cannot live within its means JD, you don't seem to understand, if an independent Scotland fails to pay it's legally binding debt to the UK, then Scotland's credit rating will be 'junk' or CCC. And if a newly independent SNP government couldn't access credit, then within six months of independence the UN would be flying in food parcels, and I imagine the SNP faithful would ensure We Jimmy McSturgeon was gently swinging from a gibbet as they pleaded for help from the UK. Of course, it works like applying for credit, if you have a poor credit score then you will be deemed a 'risk' to lend money.
Debt interest charges will be £64.4bn. Using the population method, Scotland's share of the debt would be £132bn. This will exceed 80 per cent of Scotland's GDP. The White Paper argues that the Scottish Government will not take legal ownership of this debt.
Her beloved EU wouldn't touch them with a barge pole being in debt to the tune of £132bn, and trying to wriggle out of paying the debt.
No one takes on bad debtors.
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