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Post by Pacifico on Jan 18, 2023 21:45:08 GMT
Labour MP's not covering themselves in glory..
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 19, 2023 8:37:20 GMT
We haven't had an English parliament since 1707. Here to help.  The Westminster parliament is predominantly English in the sense that a large majority of its MPs represent England. Population of the UK: England 84.3% Scotland 8.2% Wales 4.7% NI 2.8% The majority of MP's represent England because the population of the UK is predominantly English. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 19, 2023 8:48:24 GMT
The Westminster parliament is predominantly English in the sense that a large majority of its MPs represent England. Population of the UK: England 84.3% Scotland 8.2% Wales 4.7% NI 2.8% The majority of MP's represent England because the population of the UK is predominantly English. That argument falls flat on its face when you consider that scotland ireland and wales , when the uk was at its greatest extent in 1801 , made up 50 % of the population across 60 % of the land mass , but only got 26 % of the westminster representation.
Englands dominance across that parliament has changed little over the centuries irrespective of the population share and voting entitlement.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 19, 2023 8:56:14 GMT
Population of the UK: England 84.3% Scotland 8.2% Wales 4.7% NI 2.8% The majority of MP's represent England because the population of the UK is predominantly English. That argument falls flat on its face when you consider that scotland ireland and wales , when the uk was at its greatest extent in 1801 , made up 50 % of the population across 60 % of the land mass , but only got 26 % of the westminster representation.
Englands dominance across that parliament has changed little over the centuries irrespective of the population share and voting entitlement.
In 1801 the whole of Ireland was British territory. Scotland has been losing population for over 300 years due to its people migrating to foreign climes and joining the army. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 19, 2023 9:07:00 GMT
Population of the UK: England 84.3% Scotland 8.2% Wales 4.7% NI 2.8% The majority of MP's represent England because the population of the UK is predominantly English. That argument falls flat on its face when you consider that scotland ireland and wales , when the uk was at its greatest extent in 1801 , made up 50 % of the population across 60 % of the land mass , but only got 26 % of the westminster representation.
Englands dominance across that parliament has changed little over the centuries irrespective of the population share and voting entitlement. Thomas, we're talking about the here and now, the 21st century, not 200 years ago. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 19, 2023 9:07:18 GMT
That argument falls flat on its face when you consider that scotland ireland and wales , when the uk was at its greatest extent in 1801 , made up 50 % of the population across 60 % of the land mass , but only got 26 % of the westminster representation.
Englands dominance across that parliament has changed little over the centuries irrespective of the population share and voting entitlement.
In 1801 the whole of Ireland was British territory. No it wasnt. Prior to 1801 , ireland was a kingdom under the rule of the english king. Post 1801 , it then became part of the parliamentary union of the united kingdom.
The point was to dismiss reds popualtion share argument.
Despite the voting franchise being severely restricted in 1801 , irelands electorate was 160 000 alone , while englands was only 172 000. Ireland got 100 seats , while england got 486 seats.
So the popualtion share under whatever voting franchise is used is a nonsense. All that happens is over the centuries the goal posts are moved to maintain englands hegemony.
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Post by thomas on Jan 19, 2023 9:07:40 GMT
That argument falls flat on its face when you consider that scotland ireland and wales , when the uk was at its greatest extent in 1801 , made up 50 % of the population across 60 % of the land mass , but only got 26 % of the westminster representation.
Englands dominance across that parliament has changed little over the centuries irrespective of the population share and voting entitlement. Thomas, we're talking about the here and now, the 21st century, not 200 years ago. see my post to toreador. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 9:30:35 GMT
The Westminster parliament is predominantly English in the sense that a large majority of its MPs represent England. Population of the UK: England 84.3% Scotland 8.2% Wales 4.7% NI 2.8% The majority of MP's represent England because the population of the UK is predominantly English. Indeed so. You have just explained exactly and accurately why Westminster is a predominantly English parliament. The fact that it is a predominantly English parliament though cannot be denied. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 19, 2023 18:09:21 GMT
Population of the UK: England 84.3% Scotland 8.2% Wales 4.7% NI 2.8% The majority of MP's represent England because the population of the UK is predominantly English. Indeed so. You have just explained exactly and accurately why Westminster is a predominantly English parliament. The fact that it is a predominantly English parliament though cannot be denied. I fail to see what you're moaning about. I say again, the majority of MP's at Westminster are English because the English make up nearly 85% of the UK population. I had no idea this would be such a difficult concept to grasp. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 19, 2023 18:19:18 GMT
Population of the UK: England 84.3% Scotland 8.2% Wales 4.7% NI 2.8% The majority of MP's represent England because the population of the UK is predominantly English. Indeed so. You have just explained exactly and accurately why Westminster is a predominantly English parliament. The fact that it is a predominantly English parliament though cannot be denied. Well its also predominately White and Christian and full of University graduates who have never had a real job in their lives. ..And? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 18:20:33 GMT
Indeed so. You have just explained exactly and accurately why Westminster is a predominantly English parliament. The fact that it is a predominantly English parliament though cannot be denied. I fail to see what you're moaning about. I say again, the majority of MP's at Westminster are English because the English make up nearly 85% of the UK population. I had no idea this would be such a difficult concept to grasp. It is not at all a difficult concept to grasp. It is what makes Westminster a predominantly English parliament so you agree with me that it is a predominantly English parliament so what is your bone of contention? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 19, 2023 18:28:53 GMT
I fail to see what you're moaning about. I say again, the majority of MP's at Westminster are English because the English make up nearly 85% of the UK population. I had no idea this would be such a difficult concept to grasp. It is not at all a difficult concept to grasp. It is what makes Westminster a predominantly English parliament so you agree with me that it is a predominantly English parliament so what is your bone of contention? LOL, I sense we're moving in circles. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 18:48:20 GMT
Indeed so. You have just explained exactly and accurately why Westminster is a predominantly English parliament. The fact that it is a predominantly English parliament though cannot be denied. Well its also predominately White and Christian and full of University graduates who have never had a real job in their lives. ..And? Because the Scots will see it as a predominantly English parliament overruling a Scottish one, that's why! Are you being wilfully blind to that fact? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 19, 2023 18:51:21 GMT
Well its also predominately White and Christian and full of University graduates who have never had a real job in their lives. ..And? Because the Scots will see it as a predominantly English parliament overruling a Scottish one, that's why! Are you being wilfully blind to that fact? So atheists will see it as predominately a Christian Parliament, Blacks will see itr as predominately a white Parliament and workers will see it as a bunch of slackers.. But it still has authority to make Laws over them.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 18:57:37 GMT
Because the Scots will see it as a predominantly English parliament overruling a Scottish one, that's why! Are you being wilfully blind to that fact? So atheists will see it as predominately a Christian Parliament, Blacks will see itr as predominately a white Parliament and workers will see it as a bunch of slackers.. But it still has authority to make Laws over them.. You are being ridiculous. There is no nation of atheism or atheist parliament. There is no nation of blacks or black parliament. There is a nation of Scotland with a Scottish parliament being overruled by a predominantly English parliament. And whether or not you can see that is irrelevent. It is how the Scots will see it and thats the point. |
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