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Post by om15 on Jan 18, 2023 15:00:48 GMT
They did try, Kemi Badenoch had people in discussion right from the beginning. They got nowhere, as Bentley has observed, it was like trying to talk to Jaydee.
The SNP want confrontation and now they have it, it takes the eye away from education, ferries, potholes, health, welfare, housing, drug deaths and all the other things they are doing fuck all about.
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Post by om15 on Jan 18, 2023 15:03:50 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 18, 2023 15:30:06 GMT
Pillock. Two thirds of the Scottish electorate disagree with the SNP's gender virtue signalling bullshit. The fact is, we Jimmy McSturgeon is desperate for support and is willing to beg to any minority. It is not the place of the predominantly English parliament to champion the Scottish electorate. If that electorate disapproves of the law they can express that at the ballot box in the next Scottish elections if they so choose. Instead you are cheerleading handing Sturgeon the absolute gift of undermining devolution, which plays right into her hands. And makes you the obvious pillock from where I am standing. We haven't had an English parliament since 1707. Here to help.  |
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Post by thomas on Jan 18, 2023 15:52:56 GMT
It is not the place of the predominantly English parliament to champion the Scottish electorate. If that electorate disapproves of the law they can express that at the ballot box in the next Scottish elections if they so choose. Instead you are cheerleading handing Sturgeon the absolute gift of undermining devolution, which plays right into her hands. And makes you the obvious pillock from where I am standing. We haven't had an English parliament since 1707. Here to help. To be fair red steve said "predominantly". With 82 % of the seats english constituencies, it is the de facto english parliament and always has been. |
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Post by borchester on Jan 18, 2023 16:19:55 GMT
We haven't had an English parliament since 1707. Here to help. To be fair red steve said "predominantly". With 82 % of the seats english constituencies, it is the de facto english parliament and always has been. To be fair, Steve has moved from loony leftie hang the last banker with the guts of the the last Tory MP to Lib Dem oh gosh, are there going to be organic crumpets for tea (herbal of course) in a matter of no time at all, so it does not matter a lot what he has to say. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 18, 2023 16:42:03 GMT
We haven't had an English parliament since 1707. Here to help. To be fair red steve said "predominantly". With 82 % of the seats english constituencies, it is the de facto english parliament and always has been. We've had about five Scotish blood PMs since the war in addition to counless MPs. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 18, 2023 16:49:23 GMT
It's all about we Jimmy McSturgeon attempting to attract the trans vote because as far as the mainstream electorate are concerned she's about as popular as a dose of herpes. Well I would quite cheerfully consider giving her one. And I don't mean a dose of herpes.  That sounds like all sorts of desperation |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 16:58:24 GMT
Because they do not have full independence and some matters are decided in Westminster is the blatantly obvious answer. And what happens in Westminster very much is a matter for the Scots when Westminster seeks to overturn Scottish democracy. Can you give me a list of other parish councillor’s who have a seat in the HOC? MPs are not parish councillors. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 17:00:16 GMT
We haven't had an English parliament since 1707. Here to help. To be fair red steve said "predominantly". With 82 % of the seats english constituencies, it is the de facto english parliament and always has been. The Westminster parliament is predominantly English in the sense that a large majority of its MPs represent England. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 17:02:02 GMT
To be fair red steve said "predominantly". With 82 % of the seats english constituencies, it is the de facto english parliament and always has been. To be fair, Steve has moved from loony leftie hang the last banker with the guts of the the last Tory MP to Lib Dem oh gosh, are there going to be organic crumpets for tea (herbal of course) in a matter of no time at all, so it does not matter a lot what he has to say. And you have moved from talking shite on one forum to talking even more shite on another. But there we are. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 17:05:01 GMT
Such seats go hand in hand with the lack of full independence for Scotland, since some issues like defence, foreign relations and certain welfare issues, etc, are reserved for Westminster. SNP MPs do not vote on legislation that does not apply in Scotland. If the Tories were smart enough to take advantage of that they could get some really nasty shit through if they limited it to England Do you think that's wrong? Do you think without those provisions, the SNP or Scottish government could become fifth columnists? Not sure what you are getting at. As long as some powers remain reserved to Westminster, Scotland needs to be represented there. If you don't like that then let them have their independence vote in the hope that they vote for it. Then there will no longer be any Scottish MPs in Westminster. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 18, 2023 17:30:26 GMT
To be fair red steve said "predominantly". With 82 % of the seats english constituencies, it is the de facto english parliament and always has been. We've had about five Scotish blood PMs since the war in addition to counless MPs. and................? |
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Post by thomas on Jan 18, 2023 17:39:15 GMT
To be fair red steve said "predominantly". With 82 % of the seats english constituencies, it is the de facto english parliament and always has been. The Westminster parliament is predominantly English in the sense that a large majority of its MPs represent England. Thats what i agreed with steve .
The westmisnter parliament , as my quote from the late 18th century regarding under secretary cooks paraphrased quote to prime minister william pitt said , is and always has been set up to maintain english hegemoney across these islands.
When the welsh representatives were first admitted in the 16 th century , in the so called acts of union , the english administrators of the crown in wales didnt even know anything about the union never mind the welsh people.
We spoke about how the scottish lords were bribed into union , with the english army and navy poised on scotlands doorstep in case the bribes didnt work , with rioting across scotland against union , and 120 years of war and bloodshed to gain scottish independence.
When the rotten irish colonial parliament was similarly bribed into union in 1801 , the celtic nations made up 60 % of the land , and half the population of these islands. The scottish irish and welsh got 26 % of the representatives .
So aye steve , past and present , westmisnter is and always will be the english parliament. Even boris johnson conceded westmisnter is englands parliament when asked about a parliament for england on a par with the celtic devolution.
Again though we are arguing semantics. England britian uk whatever , its all the same to us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 18:08:45 GMT
The Westminster parliament is predominantly English in the sense that a large majority of its MPs represent England. Thats what i agreed with steve .
The westmisnter parliament , as my quote from the late 18th century regarding under secretary cooks paraphrased quote to prime minister william pitt said , is and always has been set up to maintain english hegemoney across these islands.
When the welsh representatives were first admitted in the 16 th century , in the so called acts of union , the english administrators of the crown in wales didnt even know anything about the union never mind the welsh people.
We spoke about how the scottish lords were bribed into union , with the english army and navy poised on scotlands doorstep in case the bribes didnt work , with rioting across scotland against union , and 120 years of war and bloodshed to gain scottish independence.
When the rotten irish colonial parliament was similarly bribed into union in 1801 , the celtic nations made up 60 % of the land , and half the population of these islands. The scottish irish and welsh got 26 % of the representatives .
So aye steve , past and present , westmisnter is and always will be the english parliament. Even boris johnson conceded westmisnter is englands parliament when asked about a parliament for england on a par with the celtic devolution.
Again though we are arguing semantics. England britian uk whatever , its all the same to us.
Apologies. I meant to quote and respond to Red Rackham who denied that it was a predominantly English parliament. I appear to have responded to you in error when I thought I was responding to him. I have now given the same response, this time to him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 18:10:24 GMT
It is not the place of the predominantly English parliament to champion the Scottish electorate. If that electorate disapproves of the law they can express that at the ballot box in the next Scottish elections if they so choose. Instead you are cheerleading handing Sturgeon the absolute gift of undermining devolution, which plays right into her hands. And makes you the obvious pillock from where I am standing. We haven't had an English parliament since 1707. Here to help. The Westminster parliament is predominantly English in the sense that a large majority of its MPs represent England. |
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