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Post by Toreador on Jan 18, 2023 9:55:06 GMT
A large majority of whose MPs represent English constituencies, hence predominantly English. Which is certainly how Scottish nationalists will see it. The Westminster parliament is creating a lot of potential anger and division between the English and Scots which can only play into the hands of the SNP, all to pursue its culture wars agenda even at the expense of the Union On that analysis it seems like the SNP is a waste of parliamentary seats. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 10:01:43 GMT
A large majority of whose MPs represent English constituencies, hence predominantly English. Which is certainly how Scottish nationalists will see it. The Westminster parliament is creating a lot of potential anger and division between the English and Scots which can only play into the hands of the SNP, all to pursue its culture wars agenda even at the expense of the Union On that analysis it seems like the SNP is a waste of parliamentary seats. Such seats go hand in hand with the lack of full independence for Scotland, since some issues like defence, foreign relations and certain welfare issues, etc, are reserved for Westminster. SNP MPs do not vote on legislation that does not apply in Scotland. If the Tories were smart enough to take advantage of that they could get some really nasty shit through if they limited it to England |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 18, 2023 10:42:21 GMT
MPs represent their constituencies, how many people (not politicians) are for this gender act?
I remember back in 2016 when MPs tried to cancel out their constituents when we had the referendum.
In fact it took a General election to tell them to 'Fuck off', it's the will of the people, not MPs.
How many people in Scotland want, or for that matter even care if you can change from a Mr to a Mrs, well I can hazard a guess, not fuckin very many.
MPs trying to dictate what they want, and not how the 'majority' of constituents want.
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Post by om15 on Jan 18, 2023 10:52:17 GMT
That is a very parochial and simplistic statement, Westminster is not in any way overturning Scottish Democracy, it is doing its job by ensuring that ill conceived, badly drafted laws made for political reasons by devolved administrations do not affect the United Kingdom.
The SNP have no more interest in trans rights than they have in pig farming, this law has the dual purpose of showing Sturgeon to be a right on woke leftie ready for her next job and also to irritate Westminster. The majority of Scots find it abhorrent, but that is tough because they voted these morons in, but this garbage can't be permitted to infect the UK, Westminster is in the right and the SNP are most manifestly in the wrong with this distasteful nonsense.
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Post by Handyman on Jan 18, 2023 11:40:15 GMT
That is how I understand it as well first time Section 35 has been used , that Scottish Legislation does not effect or interfere with our legislation in England Wales and probably NI, it will probably end up in Court to decide at the end of the day
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 18, 2023 11:48:53 GMT
I have no idea what the fuss is about, other than that the First Minister wants to be a woman and Jaydee hopes to jump the species gap and become a human being. But as a general rule I reckon that trans have problems enough and don't need them made worse.
But as said, I have not been following the debate.
So what is going on?
In short Scotland wants to make it easier for a man to officially call itself a teapot. Whether that includes consenting to the requisite surgery or not I know not. The government responsible for non devolved matters has woken up to realise this makes it hugely less tiresome for a biological man to invade the private space of a biological woman and for a change has decided to come down on the side of real women for a change. Why ? Bugger only knows but maybe Sunaks Billionaire wife has suggested she’ll start operating tariff barriers if he doesn’t act. |
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Post by research0it on Jan 18, 2023 12:16:54 GMT
Hi red rackham Do you know the way debate is supposed to work? The person you quoted told you that the issue had cross party support. You did not disprove that specific point. You ignored it and repeated an irrelevant point about the SNP and virtue signalling. And another one about the electorate. The points you make might be true but have nothing to do with what you were responding to. So, I'll repeat. The bill had cross party support. How do you respond to that? Specifically. Hi, whatever your name is, do you understand that cross party support means very little when the majority of the electorate disagree with the proposal? Hi red rackham
How do you know that?. Anyway we've a representative democracy, not a system of delegates.
What I meant by the statement, however ("The points you make might be true but have nothing to do with what you were responding to"), is that your statement about virtue signalling and the electorate might be true, but are irrelevant to what you have to respond to.
The points you make might be true but have nothing to do with what you were responding to.
The points you make might be true but have nothing to do with what you were responding to.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 18, 2023 12:45:22 GMT
On that analysis it seems like the SNP is a waste of parliamentary seats. Such seats go hand in hand with the lack of full independence for Scotland, since some issues like defence, foreign relations and certain welfare issues, etc, are reserved for Westminster. SNP MPs do not vote on legislation that does not apply in Scotland. If the Tories were smart enough to take advantage of that they could get some really nasty shit through if they limited it to England Do you think that's wrong? Do you think without those provisions, the SNP or Scottish government could become fifth columnists? |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 18, 2023 12:47:43 GMT
And it is fuck all to do with Scotland what happens in Westminster. Why should those arseholes have a say in the HOC? Because they do not have full independence and some matters are decided in Westminster is the blatantly obvious answer. And what happens in Westminster very much is a matter for the Scots when Westminster seeks to overturn Scottish democracy. Can you give me a list of other parish councillor’s who have a seat in the HOC? |
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Post by om15 on Jan 18, 2023 12:49:34 GMT
One of the Green nutters in the pretendy parliament now wants 8 year olds to be able to turn themselves into a freak, have the Scottish electorate completely lost their marbles voting this maniac perverts into power. If this was going on in Africa we would send in the UN to sort it all out.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 18, 2023 12:56:24 GMT
One of the Green nutters in the pretendy parliament now wants 8 year olds to be able to turn themselves into a freak, have the Scottish electorate completely lost their marbles voting this maniac perverts into power. If this was going on in Africa we would send in the UN to sort it all out. Yes, we seem to be governed more and more by odd balls and nutters.
It seems the cost of living crisis, energy bill hikes, soaring inflation, mortgage interest rates rising is the last thing on their minds, they are more interested in turning little Johnny in to little Joanne, FFS ... they need to get a grip.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 18, 2023 12:56:57 GMT
One of the Green nutters in the pretendy parliament now wants 8 year olds to be able to turn themselves into a freak, have the Scottish electorate completely lost their marbles voting this maniac perverts into power. If this was going on in Africa we would send in the UN to sort it all out. Perhaps the fact that Scotland has a drink and drugs problem may be a consideration. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 18, 2023 13:39:44 GMT
This all looks like a trap laid by Krankie on her ‘ all roads lead to independence’ odyssey.
As for the law itself ..imo it’s nothing to do with helping vulnerable people . It’s about an agenda to groom the public to accept subjective concepts over objective.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory? Not really , the church managed to do it for centuries.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 14:26:57 GMT
My view on this issue is different
On the one hand, I think the legislation by the Scottish Parliament was ill thought through and is not good, but on the other hand I am 100% convinced that Rishi Sunack is playing politics, and is out to "rubbish" both the SNP and the Scottish Parliament.
The government in Westminster could have talked to the Scottish administration, they could have entered into negotiations with Sturgeon and the Scottish executive, they could have sought to consult, to compromise, not confrontation.
But instead the Westminster government has deliberately chosen confrontation by choosing an historic Section 35 Order, and they are playing with fire.
The Conservative government in London has no democratic mandate in Scotland
Scotland's Parliament is controled by the SNP, and of the 59 Westminster seats in Scotland, the Tories hold just six.
The Tories need to be humble and use diplomacy instead of adopting this high and mighty authoritarian stance
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Post by Bentley on Jan 18, 2023 14:32:46 GMT
My view on this issue is different On the one hand, I think the legislation by the Scottish Parliament was ill thought through and is not good, but on the other hand I am 100% convinced that Rishi Sunack is playing politics, and is out to "rubbish" both the SNP and the Scottish Parliament. The government in Westminster could have talked to the Scottish administration, they could have entered into negotiations with Sturgeon and the Scottish executive, they could have sought to consult, to compromise, not confrontation. But instead the Westminster government has deliberately chosen confrontation by choosing an historic Section 35 Order, and they are playing with fire. The Conservative government in London has no democratic mandate in Scotland Scotland's Parliament is controled by the SNP, and of the 59 Westminster seats in Scotland, the Tories hold just six. The Tories need to be humble and use diplomacy instead of adopting this high and mighty authoritarian stance I suspect entering into negotiations , diplomacy and compromise would cut no ice with the one dimensional SNP. I suspect it would be as successful as trying the same thing with Jaydee. |
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