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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 8, 2023 18:28:56 GMT
And what about if either identify as transgender?
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Post by jonksy on Feb 8, 2023 18:32:38 GMT
Well everyone knows that now... And we all know that. But it's all about how people are perceived at the time. I know a female police officer who worked with Wayne Couzens and she always considered him a good bloke. But obviously, she doesn't now. And that's the thing - we consider our colleagues in terms of their professional competence, not their behaviour outside of work which is largely unknown to us. A good example is the late John McAleese. A much decorated SAS soldier involved in the Iranian embassy seige. A hero and excellent at his job. Yet at the time of his death, he was being investigated for child pornography. You just never know. Exactly . We don’t. I’m just speculating how no one knew about this guy.
I think that many of his colleagues did report their concerns but apparently no action was taken.....Surly any report like that shoud be taken seriuosly but that can also have it's faults as it could be used as a weapon by those who had a grudge against a fellow police officer....It's a very sad indictment of our times I fear |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 8, 2023 18:38:58 GMT
Exactly . We don’t. I’m just speculating how no one knew about this guy. And why would they? I used to work with a guy who was good at his job, a good laugh down the pub and then got nicked for being a paedo. I had no idea. Just like anyone who had a patio laid by Fred West. Maybe they should have known...? |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 8, 2023 18:44:31 GMT
Exactly . We don’t. I’m just speculating how no one knew about this guy. And why would they? I used to work with a guy who was good at his job, a good laugh down the pub and then got nicked for being a paedo. I had no idea. Just like anyone who had a patio laid by Fred West. Maybe they should have known...? I suspect that it would be more difficult to compartmentalise your nefarious activities while acting as a copper than doing a different job and doing it in your own time but I haven’t studied his modus operandi. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 8, 2023 18:53:00 GMT
And why would they? I used to work with a guy who was good at his job, a good laugh down the pub and then got nicked for being a paedo. I had no idea. Just like anyone who had a patio laid by Fred West. Maybe they should have known...? I suspect that it would be more difficult to compartmentalise your nefarious activities while acting as a copper than doing a different job and doing it in your own time but I haven’t studied his modus operandi.
Why would you suspect that? Back in the day cops lived in each others pockets (that was the canteen culture) but the powers-that-be put a stop to that decades ago.
Which is a large part of why we are where we are today.
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Post by patman post on Feb 8, 2023 19:27:03 GMT
OTOH, if a lone male police officer is approached by a female member of the public should they refuse to engage? They can ensure they are not alone with the member of the public… |
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Post by patman post on Feb 8, 2023 19:29:46 GMT
On the contrary — my post was to illustrate the point that currently even the head of the Met is unable to guarantee that the police are a dependable and safe, particularly for those who have directly suffered from the actions of serving officers... Ah yes, Rowley. Another politician.
So, apart from predictable platitudes, what is he actually going to do about it?
A valid question that’s yet to be answered. Meanwhile the vulnerable remain uncertain who to go to for safety… |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 8, 2023 19:44:08 GMT
OTOH, if a lone male police officer is approached by a female member of the public should they refuse to engage? They can ensure they are not alone with the member of the public… So the police should withdraw from the public if approached? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 8, 2023 19:45:16 GMT
Ah yes, Rowley. Another politician.
So, apart from predictable platitudes, what is he actually going to do about it?
A valid question that’s yet to be answered. Meanwhile the vulnerable remain uncertain who to go to for safety… Yes, indeed. Who do you suggest? |
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Post by patman post on Feb 9, 2023 13:18:39 GMT
They can ensure they are not alone with the member of the public… So the police should withdraw from the public if approached? No. Police officers should ensure that they are not alone in a vehicle or room with a member of the public (there may already be guidance to this effect). Talking or walking in the street or other open public space seems feasible… |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 9, 2023 13:29:09 GMT
Police officers should ensure that they are not alone in a vehicle or room with a member of the public (there may already be guidance to this effect)... Most police officers already do - less chance of spurious complaints that way. Although body worn video has fortunately mitigated those to a large extent already. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 9, 2023 13:41:54 GMT
Police officers should ensure that they are not alone in a vehicle or room with a member of the public (there may already be guidance to this effect)... Most police officers already do - less chance of spurious complaints that way. Although body worn video has fortunately mitigated those to a large extent already. If spurious complaints are lessening, is the number of police officers now being charged crimes worrying, or something that should make the public optimistic about getting more honest and reliable policing in the future…? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 9, 2023 13:58:35 GMT
No idea. Indeed, I'm not sure if there are more crimes being committed by cops nowadays or if we just get to hear more about them.
But if there are more of such offences now then it raises serious questions about the quality of people being recruited and the vetting, training and discipline standards being applied.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 10, 2023 18:49:32 GMT
Meanwhile, back in the day...
Ok, it's not real but I'll wager it's not far off either...
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Post by nonnie2 on Feb 10, 2023 20:35:26 GMT
Not convinced that’s true. Criminals probably think they won’t get caught, whereas a significant number of police appear to think their warrant card makes them immune from having to obey the law… Not sure there's a difference in the real world. Oh God. |
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