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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 7, 2023 18:14:38 GMT
Of course criminals think they wont be caught. If they thought they would be caught prisons would be empty. Which is why prison is not a deterrent because at the time of committing a crime the criminal 'knows' he wont be caught. Strange reasoning. How do you know that some or many potential crimes aren’t put off by the thought of being caught and punished? What we can be sure of is that some police officers believe the warrant card and/or uniform gives them extra powers over those they wish to bully and dominate… Well I think we can be fairly sure the thought of prison does not deter criminals by the fact that prisons are full to capacity. As for your second point, clearly there are bad people in all walks of life, including the police. Has it ever been any different? |
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Post by patman post on Feb 7, 2023 18:15:25 GMT
Why this attempted deflection away from a police officer’s depraved an criminal behaviour by regurgitating old accusations of authority’s corrupt and inept behaviour elsewhere…?
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Post by patman post on Feb 7, 2023 18:16:06 GMT
Strange reasoning. How do you know that some or many potential crimes aren’t put off by the thought of being caught and punished? What we can be sure of is that some police officers believe the warrant card and/or uniform gives them extra powers over those they wish to bully and dominate… Well I think we can be fairly sure the thought of prison does not deter criminals by the fact that prisons are full to capacity. As for your second point, clearly there are bad people in all walks of life, including the police. Has it ever been any different? That’s alright then, innit… |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 7, 2023 18:21:07 GMT
Well I think we can be fairly sure the thought of prison does not deter criminals by the fact that prisons are full to capacity. As for your second point, clearly there are bad people in all walks of life, including the police. Has it ever been any different? That’s alright then, innit… It's the way it has always been, it's the way it is, and until the police are replaced by robots, it's the way it will remain. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 7, 2023 18:23:58 GMT
Why this attempted deflection away from a police officer’s depraved an criminal behaviour by regurgitating old accusations of authority’s corrupt and inept behaviour elsewhere…? Attempted deflection! What attempted deflection? |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 7, 2023 18:31:29 GMT
He was the head of the CPS......But of course the usuals get all uperty when that fact is mentioned... But was Starmer ever in charge of a police force? The CPS could complain if the police didn’t provide useful or necessary evidence — but was Starmer ever in charge of a police force…? Only the Home Sec is responsible for overseeing Policing the Senior Police Officers are the ones who are responsible for what their Officers do 24/7. Starmer was DPP and Head of the CPS As for evidence that is the CPS's job to evaluate all the evidence the Police have obtained and if it is strong enough they decide who is charged and they Prosecute that person or persons in Court, when it comes to Rape cases on many occasions in Rape allegations sadly very often there is insufficient evidence to charge victims word against the alleged Rapists. If it goes to Court again it usually boils down to the victims word against the alleged Rapists hence the low conviction rate for rape Another Met Officers has now been charged with Rape he was in Court today |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 7, 2023 18:34:07 GMT
Not convinced that’s true. Criminals probably think they won’t get caught, whereas a significant number of police appear to think their warrant card makes them immune from having to obey the law… Of course criminals think they wont be caught. If they thought they would be caught prisons would be empty. Which is why prison is not a deterrent because at the time of committing a crime the criminal 'knows' he wont be caught. Old saying going back years and years, if you can't do the time , don't do the crime |
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Post by nonnie2 on Feb 7, 2023 18:35:00 GMT
Not only the police, but councils and the government in general are not value for money. We are reaching a tipping point where the whole system needs scrapped and reinvented. |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 7, 2023 18:44:33 GMT
When it comes to Councils best get Starmer on that job as most of them are Labour run
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 7, 2023 18:55:01 GMT
I'm not sure that's relevant. He was a criminal and all criminals think they're above the law. Not convinced that’s true. Criminals probably think they won’t get caught, whereas a significant number of police appear to think their warrant card makes them immune from having to obey the law… Not sure there's a difference in the real world. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 7, 2023 18:59:36 GMT
Why this attempted deflection away from a police officer’s depraved an criminal behaviour by regurgitating old accusations of authority’s corrupt and inept behaviour elsewhere…? Attempted deflection! What attempted deflection? I quote from an earlier post: But there is one big difference, the establishment will be out in force to show their disgust at Carrick's crimes. Yet the same establishment are silent when it comes to grooming gangs. The subject of this thread was a Met police officer — not especially active in a northern community, not a taxi driver, and not kebab shop owner. Perhaps the reference to wrong doing in other places was intended to be helpful — but that intention remains hidden… |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 7, 2023 19:19:58 GMT
Attempted deflection! What attempted deflection? I quote from an earlier post: But there is one big difference, the establishment will be out in force to show their disgust at Carrick's crimes. Yet the same establishment are silent when it comes to grooming gangs. The subject of this thread was a Met police officer — not especially active in a northern community, not a taxi driver, and not kebab shop owner. Perhaps the reference to wrong doing in other places was intended to be helpful — but that intention remains hidden… It wasn't a deflection, it was an honest comment. The crimes of Carrick are horrendous, but worse than a gang of men taking it in turns to repeatedly rape a child? Yet senior police officers and politicians will scramble to be seen to apologise for the actions of Carrick. Yet when the next Pakistani grooming gang scandal happens, as it will, the same senior police officers and politicians will be silent, again. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 7, 2023 19:23:52 GMT
I quote from an earlier post: But there is one big difference, the establishment will be out in force to show their disgust at Carrick's crimes. Yet the same establishment are silent when it comes to grooming gangs. The subject of this thread was a Met police officer — not especially active in a northern community, not a taxi driver, and not kebab shop owner. Perhaps the reference to wrong doing in other places was intended to be helpful — but that intention remains hidden… It wasn't a deflection, it was an honest comment. The crimes of Carrick are horrendous, but worse than a gang of men taking it in turns to repeatedly rape a child? Yet senior police officers and politicians will scramble to be seen to apologise for the actions of Carrick. Yet when the next Pakistani grooming gang scandal happens, as it will, the same senior police officers and politicians will be silent, again. That’s just more attempted deflection… |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 7, 2023 19:46:12 GMT
He was the head of the CPS......But of course the usuals get all uperty when that fact is mentioned... The CPS could complain if the police didn’t provide useful or necessary evidence — but was Starmer ever in charge of a police force…? Where exctly did I state the arsehole ever was? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 7, 2023 19:49:25 GMT
It wasn't a deflection, it was an honest comment. The crimes of Carrick are horrendous, but worse than a gang of men taking it in turns to repeatedly rape a child? Yet senior police officers and politicians will scramble to be seen to apologise for the actions of Carrick. Yet when the next Pakistani grooming gang scandal happens, as it will, the same senior police officers and politicians will be silent, again. That’s just more attempted deflection… You and the establishment would of course prefer it if no one mentioned grooming gangs, hush it up, yes? As Labour MP Naz Shah said "grooming gang victims should shut up for the sake of diversity". You must be very proud of her. Tell me to shut up about it and like Mrs Doyle, I will go on and on and on because it's the biggest scandal in my lifetime. |
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