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Post by Vinny on Jan 10, 2023 8:15:14 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 10, 2023 8:22:27 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Jan 10, 2023 8:30:30 GMT
If it becomes more democratic, that would not be a bad thing. If it becomes less democratic and more powerful, that would be disastrous.
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 10, 2023 8:44:37 GMT
The EU is a democratic alliance primarily for the purposes of trade.
It will become what 27 members want it to be and other countries will have to deal with it as they think best.
What that will be is completely out of our hands.
The EU will continue to change and respond to events elsewhere. It will look after itself as that alliance and the UK will just have to live with it.
Our opinions are merely bubbles in the air. They don't matter even if they used to.
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 10, 2023 8:48:19 GMT
The man is 74 years old and did not speak for the EU. Please stop misrepresenting the alliance. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 10, 2023 8:55:28 GMT
The talk is of MEPs getting legislative initiative for the first time, that would address a concern I have about the Commission and it's powers.
They're also talking about extending their market to healthcare. That could upset every leftie in the EU if the net result is a lot of privatisation.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 10, 2023 11:47:42 GMT
The man is 74 years old and did not speak for the EU. Please stop misrepresenting the alliance. Have a different man - the EU have never made any secret of what they see as the final end goal..  |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 10, 2023 13:37:08 GMT
It's moving to abolish the veto and replace it with QMV (Qualified Majority Voting) - which is a continuation of what's been going on for a long time. WHich means basically removing the veto from smaller nations - or even larger nations that don't have many qualifying votes. The UK never managed to overturn anything that the EU wanted to do.
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Post by bancroft on Jan 10, 2023 15:32:05 GMT
It's moving to abolish the veto and replace it with QMV (Qualified Majority Voting) - which is a continuation of what's been going on for a long time. WHich means basically removing the veto from smaller nations - or even larger nations that don't have many qualifying votes. The UK never managed to overturn anything that the EU wanted to do. I think Cameron did it once and that was to stop a tax on financial transactions and that was the only time it had been used. That went down badly |
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Post by see2 on Jan 10, 2023 16:22:03 GMT
The talk is of MEPs getting legislative initiative for the first time, that would address a concern I have about the Commission and it's powers. They're also talking about extending their market to healthcare. That could upset every leftie in the EU if the net result is a lot of privatisation. AIUI "legislative initiative" is not legislative power. It means they have the pathway to put changes to the Commission, who then have to do the research and the legal assessment before handing it to the Committee stage for assessment. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 10, 2023 16:33:09 GMT
The man is 74 years old and did not speak for the EU. Please stop misrepresenting the alliance. Have a different man - the EU have never made any secret of what they see as the final end goal.. A future successful EU will have to be able to defend itself from outside aggression. For me it is a natural progression. Large families, loose communities, tighter communities, villages, towns, cities, countries, military empires, Market empires. America, Russia, China, India, The UK, Germany and so on. IMO there is no turning the clock back. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 10, 2023 17:14:27 GMT
The talk is of MEPs getting legislative initiative for the first time, that would address a concern I have about the Commission and it's powers. They're also talking about extending their market to healthcare. That could upset every leftie in the EU if the net result is a lot of privatisation. AIUI "legislative initiative" is not legislative power. It means they have the pathway to put changes to the Commission, who then have to do the research and the legal assessment before handing it to the Committee stage for assessment. No, it means they have the pathway to put changes to the Parliament without the Commission. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 10, 2023 19:31:10 GMT
The talk is of MEPs getting legislative initiative for the first time, that would address a concern I have about the Commission and it's powers. They're also talking about extending their market to healthcare. That could upset every leftie in the EU if the net result is a lot of privatisation. AIUI "legislative initiative" is not legislative power. It means they have the pathway to put changes to the Commission, who then have to do the research and the legal assessment before handing it to the Committee stage for assessment. There is no change there. The major part of the commissions job has always been to see if any propos3d legislation conforms to national constitutions , whether it is workable and will achieve the desired end. |
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Post by Steve on Jan 11, 2023 1:00:15 GMT
Nothing seems to have happened in the 7 months since that and with 27 countries each able to veto it then of course it's going nowhere. Interesting though that it shows that all those who said the European Parliament couldn't initiate things were wrong. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 11, 2023 7:17:38 GMT
It's moving to abolish the veto and replace it with QMV (Qualified Majority Voting) - which is a continuation of what's been going on for a long time. WHich means basically removing the veto from smaller nations - or even larger nations that don't have many qualifying votes. The UK never managed to overturn anything that the EU wanted to do. I think Cameron did it once and that was to stop a tax on financial transactions and that was the only time it had been used. That went down badly Yes, but as I remember it the EU just went ahead with it anyway, which is not the way it's meant to work. |
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